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All of this can be resolved by adopting a wider principle of self ownership. Something society does not actually want to do on a wide scale because that amount

All of this can be resolved by adopting a wider principle of self ownership. Something society does not actually want to do on a wide scale because that amount of liberty often means people do with that liberty things we do not like and wish to bar them from However a overriding principle of self ownership would mean I own my voice, I own my face, I own my body, I own my labor, I own my data, I own everything about me, and I ... and I alone get to control how that is used.

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pixl97 3y ago
And yet this makes little to no sense on its own merit. Humans are not animals that are hatched from an egg ready to live as a rugged individual in the wilds. You are a social creature that learns everything you know by stealing bits of information from the world around you (or were you born with a sack of gold and you paid your parents to raise you?). You look and act and sound like thousands of others out there. You bleed information into the wider world around you, and now you seek to restrict others access to it.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  >>You are a social creature In actuality I am an anti-social creature, I am contrarian, and very ODD >>that learns everything you know by stealing bits of information from the world around you No primary I learn everything I know by accessing information freely given to me by others in the world around me via voluntary exchange. Either freely accessible knowledge people put out for all to access, or by exchanging currency or other value with the holder of said knowledge for which they share that knowledge with me
  - pixl97 3y ago
    >In actuality I am an anti-social creature, "Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."
    - phpisthebest 3y ago
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noobermin 3y ago
I don't understand how this solves the issue of others wanting to own you. People often want this, and the only way to achieve this is not to convince people they should have self-ownership because that does not preclude people owning things that are not theirs.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  It would be in the system of laws We do not have this self ownership principle in our system of laws. It should be something on the order of the US 1st Amendment in weight and scope codified in the very foundation of the legal system
15457345234 3y ago
'I know, let's make a technology that is pretty much only useful to criminals illegal' - just FYI, they aren't going to follow the law.

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pixl97 3y ago

And yet this makes little to no sense on its own merit. Humans are not animals that are hatched from an egg ready to live as a rugged individual in the wilds. You are a social creature that learns everything you know by stealing bits of information from the world around you (or were you born with a sack of gold and you paid your parents to raise you?). You look and act and sound like thousands of others out there. You bleed information into the wider world around you, and now you seek to restrict others access to it.

phpisthebest 3y ago
>>You are a social creature In actuality I am an anti-social creature, I am contrarian, and very ODD >>that learns everything you know by stealing bits of information from the world around you No primary I learn everything I know by accessing information freely given to me by others in the world around me via voluntary exchange. Either freely accessible knowledge people put out for all to access, or by exchanging currency or other value with the holder of said knowledge for which they share that knowledge with me
- pixl97 3y ago
  >In actuality I am an anti-social creature, "Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
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noobermin 3y ago

I don't understand how this solves the issue of others wanting to own you. People often want this, and the only way to achieve this is not to convince people they should have self-ownership because that does not preclude people owning things that are not theirs.

phpisthebest 3y ago
It would be in the system of laws We do not have this self ownership principle in our system of laws. It should be something on the order of the US 1st Amendment in weight and scope codified in the very foundation of the legal system

15457345234 3y ago

'I know, let's make a technology that is pretty much only useful to criminals illegal' - just FYI, they aren't going to follow the law.