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well this is a saber rattling wannabe nuclear weapons state. If you look at the history of deals between the US and the DPRK and that of missile launches then y

well this is a saber rattling wannabe nuclear weapons state. If you look at the history of deals between the US and the DPRK and that of missile launches then you'll likely conclude they don't negotiate in good faith. They also frequently threaten Japan and the US with nuclear strikes and launch missiles into the Sea of Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_t...

Beijinger 3y ago
" you'll likely conclude they don't negotiate in good faith." Is this surprising? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/unknown-to-most-americans-the-us-totally-destroyed-north-korea-once-before-1.3227633 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/unknown-t... "Air Force general Curtis LeMay, head of the strategic air command during the Korean War, estimated that the American campaign killed 20 per cent of the population. “We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea,” he said." I am not defending NK. But they fought a total war and maybe there is a reason why they are paranoid. What concerns me more then the delivery of weapons form NK to Russia is the possibility that they send soldiers. Kim would get money for it. And something his current army does not have. Combat experience.
- gustavus 3y ago
  Well you have to remember that the US had basically won the war until millions of Chinese troops were sent over the border to flood them with bodies. The point is McArthur was probably right.
  - l3mure 3y ago
    > point is McArthur was probably right That's funny, because MacArthur's whole justification for driving to the Yalu and bombing Chinese hydroelectric plants there was that the Chinese would NOT get involved like they did. Really he wanted to push into Manchuria and start WWIII because he was a genocidal fucking maniac, thankfully the Chinese and Truman managed to shut that down.
- hakfoo 3y ago
  Killing off Ghadaffi was perhaps the worst blow to any broader denuclearization efforts. As long as Libya pursued weapons of mass destruction, but the leadership was more or less unmolested. Sanctions and sabre rattling don't actually pose a personal risk. But when they started playing nice with the global community, a coup and assassination followed conspicuously soon after. Nuclear weapons were always a guarantee of security and regime continuity for Kim, but that reminds us it works on two layers. The US or RoK can't directly call for war without Seoul ending up glowing by tea-time, but they also need to keep the cloak-and-dagger guys on a leash too. Trying any of the zany plans they had saved for Castro could result in a bunch of nuclear weapons and know-how ending up in less stable hands. (I could imagine an apocalyptic cult, for example, being willing to fire an acquired weapon, in a way that even the most violent nation state would think twice about)
rokkitmensch 3y ago
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Beijinger 3y ago

" you'll likely conclude they don't negotiate in good faith." Is this surprising? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/unknown-to-most-americans-the-us-totally-destroyed-north-korea-once-before-1.3227633 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/unknown-t... "Air Force general Curtis LeMay, head of the strategic air command during the Korean War, estimated that the American campaign killed 20 per cent of the population. “We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea,” he said." I am not defending NK. But they fought a total war and maybe there is a reason why they are paranoid. What concerns me more then the delivery of weapons form NK to Russia is the possibility that they send soldiers. Kim would get money for it. And something his current army does not have. Combat experience.

gustavus 3y ago
Well you have to remember that the US had basically won the war until millions of Chinese troops were sent over the border to flood them with bodies. The point is McArthur was probably right.
- l3mure 3y ago
  > point is McArthur was probably right That's funny, because MacArthur's whole justification for driving to the Yalu and bombing Chinese hydroelectric plants there was that the Chinese would NOT get involved like they did. Really he wanted to push into Manchuria and start WWIII because he was a genocidal fucking maniac, thankfully the Chinese and Truman managed to shut that down.
hakfoo 3y ago
Killing off Ghadaffi was perhaps the worst blow to any broader denuclearization efforts. As long as Libya pursued weapons of mass destruction, but the leadership was more or less unmolested. Sanctions and sabre rattling don't actually pose a personal risk. But when they started playing nice with the global community, a coup and assassination followed conspicuously soon after. Nuclear weapons were always a guarantee of security and regime continuity for Kim, but that reminds us it works on two layers. The US or RoK can't directly call for war without Seoul ending up glowing by tea-time, but they also need to keep the cloak-and-dagger guys on a leash too. Trying any of the zany plans they had saved for Castro could result in a bunch of nuclear weapons and know-how ending up in less stable hands. (I could imagine an apocalyptic cult, for example, being willing to fire an acquired weapon, in a way that even the most violent nation state would think twice about)

rokkitmensch 3y ago

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