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> Military transfers between the two countries would violate multiple UN Security Council resolutions and be subject to additional sanctions by the United State

> Military transfers between the two countries would violate multiple UN Security Council resolutions and be subject to additional sanctions by the United States and its allies. Am I misunderstanding: does anyone think Kim of North Korea or Putin's gang in Russia cares?

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thriftwy 3y ago
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- junon 3y ago
  "Whataboutism" isn't going win you any arguments.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
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    - tokai 3y ago
      In the slight case that you are arguing in good faith. What does US/Russia affairs have to do with Russia following the UN resolutions they sign themselves?
      - thriftwy 3y ago
        UN resolutions as I imagine are in the form of "We all agreed it is a good idea if we collectively did the following". Then of course every side can just walk away from such memorandum once it becomes taxing without moral repercussions. Not sure about the US law but Russian law disallows coercion into contracts which overhelmingly favor one side taking advantage of the other one. There are mechanisms of coercion but they are not functioning as of now since any sanctions that US could place on Russia for dealing with NK it will place regardless. So to summarize, the sides agreed it would be great if they limited trade with NK. If one of the sides no longer thinks it's a great idea, that's it. If you still think it's an universally good idea, go nag China so it uses its influence on Russia, since their opinion Russia will take into account.
        selimthegrim 3y ago
        > Not sure about the US law but Russian law disallows coercion into contracts which overhelmingly favor one side taking advantage of the other one. Ok, now remind me why Putin was describing Ukraine’s position on the Minsk agreements with the following: Нравится, не нравится—терпи моя красавица
        thriftwy 3y ago
        Much better now when these agreements are abolished? Right?
  - parineum 3y ago
    This is the context to the current state of the relationship. Not every reference to history is whataboutism.
    - junon 3y ago
      Given this particular user's comment history, they are very clearly here to push pro-Russian, anti-American narrative, and only that.
- lawn 3y ago
  Russia doesn't uphold any of their promises, to anyone.
  - oneshtein 3y ago
    Russian Federation is not a member of UN Security Council. RF performs the biggest hoax in the history: they fooled whole world.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    That's obviously false because it is too strong of a claim to ever be true.
    - lawn 3y ago
      Obviously my point wasn't that strong, but that they don't have any qualms of breaking any promise, as they have done on countless occasions. So much that it's a habit and nobody should believe anything they say or promise.
CommieBobDole 3y ago
North Korea doesn't care because they are as sanctioned the west as a country can be - there's no additional leverage. Russia is not in the same situation - they have been sanctioned, but there's many more sanctions that can be applied. However, since they're most likely buying artillery ammunition and other weapons from North Korea, and they know that this traffic can't really be concealed, they have likely decided that obtaining this stuff is more important than avoiding whatever additional sanctions would be applied.
- af78 3y ago
  I used to think so. According to this page https://freekorea.us/sanctions/ https://freekorea.us/sanctions/ existing sanctions are not enforced as strongly as they could. North Korea and Russia are much more reliant on foreign technology than one may know. See this fascinating article about Western CNCs used in the production of Iskander missiles: https://rhodus.substack.com/p/how-to-make-an-iskander https://rhodus.substack.com/p/how-to-make-an-iskander Think also secondary sanctions, i.e. sanctions against countries and organizations that help circumvent sanctions. For example, companies in, say, China or Uzbekistan profiteer by selling to Russian companies components bought from the West. Let’s make them face a dilemma: if you do business with Russia or NK you will be cut off from the West.
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  - glacia01 3y ago
    >See this fascinating article about Western CNCs used in the production of Iskander missiles Pretty much all Russian factories run on US/Europe equipment. It's not really a secret, not sure what's surprising about that. >Think also secondary sanctions, i.e. sanctions against countries and organizations that help circumvent sanctions. For example, companies in, say, China or Uzbekistan profiteer by selling to Russian companies components bought from the West. Let’s make them face a dilemma: if you do business with Russia or NK you will be cut off from the West. You'll have to sanction dozen of countries then. It's not really practical. If west really wants to deal a blow to Russia then they need to make oil super cheap somehow, that would stop Russia really fast. Unfortunately that will never happen too...

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junon 3y ago
"Whataboutism" isn't going win you any arguments.
- thriftwy 3y ago
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  - tokai 3y ago
    In the slight case that you are arguing in good faith. What does US/Russia affairs have to do with Russia following the UN resolutions they sign themselves?
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      UN resolutions as I imagine are in the form of "We all agreed it is a good idea if we collectively did the following". Then of course every side can just walk away from such memorandum once it becomes taxing without moral repercussions. Not sure about the US law but Russian law disallows coercion into contracts which overhelmingly favor one side taking advantage of the other one. There are mechanisms of coercion but they are not functioning as of now since any sanctions that US could place on Russia for dealing with NK it will place regardless. So to summarize, the sides agreed it would be great if they limited trade with NK. If one of the sides no longer thinks it's a great idea, that's it. If you still think it's an universally good idea, go nag China so it uses its influence on Russia, since their opinion Russia will take into account.
      - selimthegrim 3y ago
        > Not sure about the US law but Russian law disallows coercion into contracts which overhelmingly favor one side taking advantage of the other one. Ok, now remind me why Putin was describing Ukraine’s position on the Minsk agreements with the following: Нравится, не нравится—терпи моя красавица
        thriftwy 3y ago
        Much better now when these agreements are abolished? Right?
- parineum 3y ago
  This is the context to the current state of the relationship. Not every reference to history is whataboutism.
  - junon 3y ago
    Given this particular user's comment history, they are very clearly here to push pro-Russian, anti-American narrative, and only that.
lawn 3y ago
Russia doesn't uphold any of their promises, to anyone.
- oneshtein 3y ago
  Russian Federation is not a member of UN Security Council. RF performs the biggest hoax in the history: they fooled whole world.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  That's obviously false because it is too strong of a claim to ever be true.
  - lawn 3y ago
    Obviously my point wasn't that strong, but that they don't have any qualms of breaking any promise, as they have done on countless occasions. So much that it's a habit and nobody should believe anything they say or promise.

CommieBobDole 3y ago

North Korea doesn't care because they are as sanctioned the west as a country can be - there's no additional leverage. Russia is not in the same situation - they have been sanctioned, but there's many more sanctions that can be applied. However, since they're most likely buying artillery ammunition and other weapons from North Korea, and they know that this traffic can't really be concealed, they have likely decided that obtaining this stuff is more important than avoiding whatever additional sanctions would be applied.

af78 3y ago
I used to think so. According to this page https://freekorea.us/sanctions/ https://freekorea.us/sanctions/ existing sanctions are not enforced as strongly as they could. North Korea and Russia are much more reliant on foreign technology than one may know. See this fascinating article about Western CNCs used in the production of Iskander missiles: https://rhodus.substack.com/p/how-to-make-an-iskander https://rhodus.substack.com/p/how-to-make-an-iskander Think also secondary sanctions, i.e. sanctions against countries and organizations that help circumvent sanctions. For example, companies in, say, China or Uzbekistan profiteer by selling to Russian companies components bought from the West. Let’s make them face a dilemma: if you do business with Russia or NK you will be cut off from the West.
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- glacia01 3y ago
  >See this fascinating article about Western CNCs used in the production of Iskander missiles Pretty much all Russian factories run on US/Europe equipment. It's not really a secret, not sure what's surprising about that. >Think also secondary sanctions, i.e. sanctions against countries and organizations that help circumvent sanctions. For example, companies in, say, China or Uzbekistan profiteer by selling to Russian companies components bought from the West. Let’s make them face a dilemma: if you do business with Russia or NK you will be cut off from the West. You'll have to sanction dozen of countries then. It's not really practical. If west really wants to deal a blow to Russia then they need to make oil super cheap somehow, that would stop Russia really fast. Unfortunately that will never happen too...