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You would wipe Israel and Ukraine off the map? Israelis generally want to live in an Israeli-run Israel, and Ukrainians generally want to live in a Ukrainian-r

You would wipe Israel and Ukraine off the map? Israelis generally want to live in an Israeli-run Israel, and Ukrainians generally want to live in a Ukrainian-run Ukraine. Why would they move to the US and lose their national identity?

amichail 3y ago
Wouldn't most people love to live in the US?
- dotcoma 3y ago
  Not me, for one.
- coding123 3y ago
  If you look past the wealth (and wealth inequality) the US is pretty miserable. We are very lonely here. Maybe it would be good for us, but not for them.
- weatherlite 3y ago
  Most people who are looking to immigrate would love to live in the U.S yes, but most people are not looking to immigrate. Immigrating can be quite tough and unsuitable for many people.
amichail 3y ago
The US allows people to keep their culture if they want to.
- dotcoma 3y ago
  As long as they mindlessly shop like Americans ;)
- dave4420 3y ago
  Culture is not the same thing as national identity. And as a practical matter, no, the US is very good at assimilating immigrants. (Which is usually a good thing! But in this context would be cultural genocide. Or cultural suicide on the part of the Israelis/Ukrainians.) The overwhelming majority would be monolingual English speakers and intermarrying within three generations.
- elmerfud 3y ago
  Actually no it does not. The United States is more culturally tolerant than many other countries in the world but rest assured we do not allow all peoples to keep their current culture. There are ideals that the United States holds that are enshrined in our founding documents that run counter to many cultural beliefs. When you come to this country you are expected to abandon those parts of your cultural beliefs because if you do not you will wind up being a criminal. There is much more I could say on this subject having traveled much of the world and seen the cultures that people have but this really isn't the venue. The short version is that statements like yours seem to have the underpinning that all cultures are equal and of equal moral value. Those who hold that belief have not studied other cultures or gone to places and seeing how those cultures are implemented. Perhaps they're just extremely naive and don't know that many cultures still promote rape as a way to control women or female general mutilation. These are extreme examples but they are real and these are not a criminal elements that are promoting these things this is a cultural norm that is considered acceptable. This is not meant to be a statement that the United States some how has obtained cultural perfection because it's certainly has not but there's a reason people to this day flock to this country and not to a lot of other countries. You don't have to do very much of a Google search to find the news articles of people who have come to this country believing your idea that they can keep their culture and then performing those heinous acts that I used as an example. Again they did not think of themselves as performing a criminal act they had willing participants to aid them who believe that they were doing the culturally correct thing.
  - amichail 3y ago
    I don't think this will be a problem with Israelis and Ukrainians though. For the most part, their cultures do not involve actions that would be illegal in the US.
    - coding123 3y ago
      I do agree with you there. However I simply cannot agree to deleting those nations. You must be younger than 35 is all I can say.
SenAnder 3y ago
Those are very ethno-nationalist reasons, aren't they?
- dave4420 3y ago
  Sure. But people won’t abandon those reasons just because people like you say that they’re ethnonationalist.
- selfhoster11 3y ago
  In the Ukrainian case, not at all. You have a piece of land that has been "in the family" for generations, and you want it to stay this way. You just want a piece of land where you want to live your life in peace. And then a screaming horde shows up on the horizon, trying to take that away from you. I would see nothing wrong with standing up to fight, especially as you weren't the one throwing the first punch. I can see Poland, a country living literally next door, doing the same thing. Israel is a bit different, so I won't get into it on account of not being qualified enough to share my view.

amichail 3y ago

Wouldn't most people love to live in the US?

dotcoma 3y ago
Not me, for one.
coding123 3y ago
If you look past the wealth (and wealth inequality) the US is pretty miserable. We are very lonely here. Maybe it would be good for us, but not for them.
weatherlite 3y ago
Most people who are looking to immigrate would love to live in the U.S yes, but most people are not looking to immigrate. Immigrating can be quite tough and unsuitable for many people.

amichail 3y ago

The US allows people to keep their culture if they want to.

dotcoma 3y ago
As long as they mindlessly shop like Americans ;)
dave4420 3y ago
Culture is not the same thing as national identity. And as a practical matter, no, the US is very good at assimilating immigrants. (Which is usually a good thing! But in this context would be cultural genocide. Or cultural suicide on the part of the Israelis/Ukrainians.) The overwhelming majority would be monolingual English speakers and intermarrying within three generations.
elmerfud 3y ago
Actually no it does not. The United States is more culturally tolerant than many other countries in the world but rest assured we do not allow all peoples to keep their current culture. There are ideals that the United States holds that are enshrined in our founding documents that run counter to many cultural beliefs. When you come to this country you are expected to abandon those parts of your cultural beliefs because if you do not you will wind up being a criminal. There is much more I could say on this subject having traveled much of the world and seen the cultures that people have but this really isn't the venue. The short version is that statements like yours seem to have the underpinning that all cultures are equal and of equal moral value. Those who hold that belief have not studied other cultures or gone to places and seeing how those cultures are implemented. Perhaps they're just extremely naive and don't know that many cultures still promote rape as a way to control women or female general mutilation. These are extreme examples but they are real and these are not a criminal elements that are promoting these things this is a cultural norm that is considered acceptable. This is not meant to be a statement that the United States some how has obtained cultural perfection because it's certainly has not but there's a reason people to this day flock to this country and not to a lot of other countries. You don't have to do very much of a Google search to find the news articles of people who have come to this country believing your idea that they can keep their culture and then performing those heinous acts that I used as an example. Again they did not think of themselves as performing a criminal act they had willing participants to aid them who believe that they were doing the culturally correct thing.
- amichail 3y ago
  I don't think this will be a problem with Israelis and Ukrainians though. For the most part, their cultures do not involve actions that would be illegal in the US.
  - coding123 3y ago
    I do agree with you there. However I simply cannot agree to deleting those nations. You must be younger than 35 is all I can say.

SenAnder 3y ago

Those are very ethno-nationalist reasons, aren't they?

dave4420 3y ago
Sure. But people won’t abandon those reasons just because people like you say that they’re ethnonationalist.
selfhoster11 3y ago
In the Ukrainian case, not at all. You have a piece of land that has been "in the family" for generations, and you want it to stay this way. You just want a piece of land where you want to live your life in peace. And then a screaming horde shows up on the horizon, trying to take that away from you. I would see nothing wrong with standing up to fight, especially as you weren't the one throwing the first punch. I can see Poland, a country living literally next door, doing the same thing. Israel is a bit different, so I won't get into it on account of not being qualified enough to share my view.