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> Tesla autopilot has been represented as being capable of handling complex road conditions as well or better than a human Has it? In question here is Autopilo

by judge2020 3y ago

> Tesla autopilot has been represented as being capable of handling complex road conditions as well or better than a human Has it? In question here is Autopilot and not FSD Beta, with the car stating that Autosteer is just to keep you within the lane lines with this popup required to enable it[0] (and a different popup to enable auto-lane-change, if you pay for enhanced). Note that rental cars (or at least my Hertz rental) also have it turned off by default to make sure the person driving sees this. The post also mentions: > However, the NTSB also cited Banner’s “overreliance on automation,” saying Tesla’s design “permitted disengagement by the driver” and contributed to the crash. Four years later, despite pleas from safety investigators, regulators in Washington have outlined no clear plan to address those shortcomings, allowing the Autopilot experiment to continue to play out on American roads, with little federal intervention. In relation to Tesla's efforts, they have since implemented active driver monitoring - if you look down at your phone, or even passenger, for more than a few seconds with it engaged, it loudly beeps and requires you look back at the road. If you don't look at the road, or with enough instances of this, it will suspend your autopilot privileges until you put it in park and back in drive. 0: https://rr.judge.sh/Starling/a850b5/36G5oYNYqt.jpg https://rr.judge.sh/Starling/a850b5/36G5oYNYqt.jpg

appplication 3y ago
> Has it? In question here is Autopilot and not FSD Beta Per Musk himself[1]: “The data is unequivocal that Autopilot is safer than human driving by a significant margin” Also Musk famously overrepresented in a promotional video[2] The worst part about this is that I think Elon genuinely believes that this is correct. And that is a huge problem that creates complacency. He is already benefitting from convincing some portion of the public of this view. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-self-driving-elon-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-19/elon-musk-directed-tesla-autopilot-video-saying-car-drove-itself-tsla https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-19/elon-musk...
- judge2020 3y ago
  The data backs him up there[0] - note that > To ensure our statistics are conservative, we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed. Focusing on single incidents will pull at your heartstrings, but each incident is one in a sea of data that shows an overall improvement despite isolated heart-breaking incidents as a result of our inability to create a perfect system. Although I agree that his "tweets" are garbage and his cult mentality/god-like demeanor puts a lot of false confidence in people (who are likely a majority of those paying the $200/mo for beta), not to mention that thousands of people won't consider buying a Tesla due to his involvement. Chances are Tom Zhu will take over eventually. 0: https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/h_2576,w_1286,c_fit,f_auto,q_auto:best/safety-report-Q4-22-desktop https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/... from https://tesla.com/vehiclesafetyreport https://tesla.com/vehiclesafetyreport
  - cornstalks 3y ago
    The phrasing “Autopilot is safer than human driving” makes it sound like Autopilot is a replacement for human driving, rather than a supplement. That kind of marketing is part of the problem: it’s teaching consumers to rely on Autopilot too much and encouraging users to misunderstand Autopilot’s capabilities and limitations.
belter 3y ago
This Consumer Reports review from January this year, rates the three top Active Driving Systems, and none of them is the one from Tesla. Tesla it now at the middle of commercial offers. It also call Tesla driver monitoring not effective. https://reprints.theygsgroup.com/cr/reprints/FordBlueCruise.pdf https://reprints.theygsgroup.com/cr/reprints/FordBlueCruise....

appplication 3y ago

> Has it? In question here is Autopilot and not FSD Beta Per Musk himself[1]: “The data is unequivocal that Autopilot is safer than human driving by a significant margin” Also Musk famously overrepresented in a promotional video[2] The worst part about this is that I think Elon genuinely believes that this is correct. And that is a huge problem that creates complacency. He is already benefitting from convincing some portion of the public of this view. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-self-driving-elon-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/magazine/tesla-autopilot-... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-19/elon-musk-directed-tesla-autopilot-video-saying-car-drove-itself-tsla https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-19/elon-musk...

judge2020 3y ago
The data backs him up there[0] - note that > To ensure our statistics are conservative, we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed. Focusing on single incidents will pull at your heartstrings, but each incident is one in a sea of data that shows an overall improvement despite isolated heart-breaking incidents as a result of our inability to create a perfect system. Although I agree that his "tweets" are garbage and his cult mentality/god-like demeanor puts a lot of false confidence in people (who are likely a majority of those paying the $200/mo for beta), not to mention that thousands of people won't consider buying a Tesla due to his involvement. Chances are Tom Zhu will take over eventually. 0: https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/h_2576,w_1286,c_fit,f_auto,q_auto:best/safety-report-Q4-22-desktop https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/... from https://tesla.com/vehiclesafetyreport https://tesla.com/vehiclesafetyreport
- cornstalks 3y ago
  The phrasing “Autopilot is safer than human driving” makes it sound like Autopilot is a replacement for human driving, rather than a supplement. That kind of marketing is part of the problem: it’s teaching consumers to rely on Autopilot too much and encouraging users to misunderstand Autopilot’s capabilities and limitations.

belter 3y ago

This Consumer Reports review from January this year, rates the three top Active Driving Systems, and none of them is the one from Tesla. Tesla it now at the middle of commercial offers. It also call Tesla driver monitoring not effective. https://reprints.theygsgroup.com/cr/reprints/FordBlueCruise.pdf https://reprints.theygsgroup.com/cr/reprints/FordBlueCruise....