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> Since the appropriation is part of the art it needs to be up front. Don't be obscure, or try too hard to hide the grab. Even better if it's audacious. Then h

> Since the appropriation is part of the art it needs to be up front. Don't be obscure, or try too hard to hide the grab. Even better if it's audacious. Then how does one analyze The Orb and other similar acts that rely on tons of obscure samples? They make no pretense of not using loads of samples, but they can be quite obscured to those not in the know. Then again, they are an entirely separate genre from hip-hop.

nonrandomstring 3y ago
> Then how does one analyze The Orb and other similar acts that rely on tons of obscure samples? They make no pretense of not using loads of samples, but they can be quite obscured to those not in the know. Then again, they are an entirely separate genre from hip-hop. Good question, maybe it's not "appropriation" in the same way - by not making a strong feature of the appropriated part. Perhaps we'd simply say composition. Or as Orb would say "Layering different sounds on top of each other". Come to think of that track, indeed , Steve Reich (different trains was it?)was actually something I knew but didn't recognise until someone pointed it out. Edit: Sorry to come back to this in case its getting old, but I just popped up the Wikipedia to check myself (it wasn't different trains), but check this out: Asked about the sample in an interview years later, Jones referred to the Orb as "those fuckers." Reich was "genuinely flattered"^[10] by the Orb's use of his work and instructed his record company not to sue.^[11] Despite this, the Orb did receive a letter from Reich's lawyers several years later, but Paterson described Reich as "a proper gentleman: he wanted 20% from then on and asked us to do a remix of one of his tunes, which we did" What a world of difference. And yet for me that's the only context I have for Rickie Lee Jones and still think of it as one of the most beautiful vocals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fluffy_Clouds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fluffy_Clouds

nonrandomstring 3y ago

> Then how does one analyze The Orb and other similar acts that rely on tons of obscure samples? They make no pretense of not using loads of samples, but they can be quite obscured to those not in the know. Then again, they are an entirely separate genre from hip-hop. Good question, maybe it's not "appropriation" in the same way - by not making a strong feature of the appropriated part. Perhaps we'd simply say composition. Or as Orb would say "Layering different sounds on top of each other". Come to think of that track, indeed , Steve Reich (different trains was it?)was actually something I knew but didn't recognise until someone pointed it out. Edit: Sorry to come back to this in case its getting old, but I just popped up the Wikipedia to check myself (it wasn't different trains), but check this out: Asked about the sample in an interview years later, Jones referred to the Orb as "those fuckers." Reich was "genuinely flattered"^[10] by the Orb's use of his work and instructed his record company not to sue.^[11] Despite this, the Orb did receive a letter from Reich's lawyers several years later, but Paterson described Reich as "a proper gentleman: he wanted 20% from then on and asked us to do a remix of one of his tunes, which we did" What a world of difference. And yet for me that's the only context I have for Rickie Lee Jones and still think of it as one of the most beautiful vocals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fluffy_Clouds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fluffy_Clouds