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Richard Sutton has done fascinating RL research in the past. Lately, though, he has been advocating for ending humanity, which is a bit more chilling[1]: > Ra

Richard Sutton has done fascinating RL research in the past. Lately, though, he has been advocating for ending humanity, which is a bit more chilling[1]: > Rather quickly, [AI] would displace us from existence. […] It behooves us to give them every advantage, and to bow out when we can no longer contribute… [1]: https://youtu.be/NgHFMolXs3U?si=5sriRVFKw61K5yes&t=399 https://youtu.be/NgHFMolXs3U?si=5sriRVFKw61K5yes&t=399

belter 3y ago
That is not, what he is advocating, at the timestamp you referred to.
- Qwertious 3y ago
  >That is ... what he is advocating, at the timestamp you referred to. There's no such thing as taking a quote out of context, only enhancing it!
  - belter 3y ago
    There is no such thing as watching the same video and getting to wildly different conclusions :-) I could explain it, but I think would be condescending...
- DHaldane 3y ago
  After watching the video, I agree with that summarization of Rich's arguments. Building AI so humanity can go gently into that good night seemed very much the theme of that talk. What is your take on it?
  - belter 3y ago
    Please watch it again then come back here...
    - DHaldane 3y ago
      Curious to hear your take. Sutton seems to present AI as worthy successors to humanity. What do you think he is saying?
      - belter 3y ago
        He is only presenting the arguments of Hans Moravec and arguing for Succession Planning. He even mentions...when we can "no longer contribute" and we "enjoy a comfortable retirement". Almost mention the moral argument that we owe to allow a greater mind to evolve. A trans human might even be the only way humanity can survive. Then he contrasts it with the fearful view of the evolution of AI. From an abstract on "The Age Of Robots": "...rowing computer power over the next half-century will allow this reptile stage will be surpassed, in stages_ _producing robots that learn like mammals, model their world like primates and eventually reason like humans._ _Depending on your point of view, humanity will then have produced a worthy successor, or transcended inherited_ _limitations and transformed itself into something quite new. No longer limited by the slow pace of human learning and_ _even slower biological evolution, intelligent machinery will conduct its affairs on an ever faster, ever smaller scale, until_ _coarse physical nature has been converted to fine-grained purposeful thought..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec Now where is arguing for the end of Humanity? To quote from his presentation: "...Why don't we rejoice in their greatness as a symbol and extension of humanity greatness, and work together toward a greater and inclusive civilization" Is Captain Jean-Luc Picard arguing for the end of humanity, is he less of an human?...Just for advocating for Data? - https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY
omneity 3y ago
While I don't agree with your conclusion, as it seems Rich Sutton was simply paraphrasing Hans Moravec, I found the video pretty interesting. Thank you for sharing it.

belter 3y ago

That is not, what he is advocating, at the timestamp you referred to.

Qwertious 3y ago
>That is ... what he is advocating, at the timestamp you referred to. There's no such thing as taking a quote out of context, only enhancing it!
- belter 3y ago
  There is no such thing as watching the same video and getting to wildly different conclusions :-) I could explain it, but I think would be condescending...
DHaldane 3y ago
After watching the video, I agree with that summarization of Rich's arguments. Building AI so humanity can go gently into that good night seemed very much the theme of that talk. What is your take on it?
- belter 3y ago
  Please watch it again then come back here...
  - DHaldane 3y ago
    Curious to hear your take. Sutton seems to present AI as worthy successors to humanity. What do you think he is saying?
    - belter 3y ago
      He is only presenting the arguments of Hans Moravec and arguing for Succession Planning. He even mentions...when we can "no longer contribute" and we "enjoy a comfortable retirement". Almost mention the moral argument that we owe to allow a greater mind to evolve. A trans human might even be the only way humanity can survive. Then he contrasts it with the fearful view of the evolution of AI. From an abstract on "The Age Of Robots": "...rowing computer power over the next half-century will allow this reptile stage will be surpassed, in stages_ _producing robots that learn like mammals, model their world like primates and eventually reason like humans._ _Depending on your point of view, humanity will then have produced a worthy successor, or transcended inherited_ _limitations and transformed itself into something quite new. No longer limited by the slow pace of human learning and_ _even slower biological evolution, intelligent machinery will conduct its affairs on an ever faster, ever smaller scale, until_ _coarse physical nature has been converted to fine-grained purposeful thought..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec Now where is arguing for the end of Humanity? To quote from his presentation: "...Why don't we rejoice in their greatness as a symbol and extension of humanity greatness, and work together toward a greater and inclusive civilization" Is Captain Jean-Luc Picard arguing for the end of humanity, is he less of an human?...Just for advocating for Data? - https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY

omneity 3y ago

While I don't agree with your conclusion, as it seems Rich Sutton was simply paraphrasing Hans Moravec, I found the video pretty interesting. Thank you for sharing it.