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Near as I can tell they were selling this stuff for $2 a liter, which probably should have tipped people off but some people just have no sense for these things

Near as I can tell they were selling this stuff for $2 a liter, which probably should have tipped people off but some people just have no sense for these things ("It's one banana Michael, how much could it cost? $10?") I would be doubly skeptical of anything like this coming from Whole Foods, the grocery store that has an entire aisle dedicated to fraudulent quackery "medicine" aka homeopathic nonsense. It's not illegal, but it should be, and they shouldn't be selling it even though it's legal, but they proudly do. Fuck whole foods.

plagiarist 3y ago
I've seen homeopathic nonsense in chain drug stores. Is it a symptom of how unaffordable US healthcare is, or are people in other countries also profiting from selling quackery?
- gedy 3y ago
  > Is it a symptom of how unaffordable US healthcare is In my circles, it's actually the well-off people who buy into the quack fads.
- denton-scratch 3y ago
  My local pharmacy (not any kind of chain) sells homeopathic crap. It's a nice pharmacy; it's not actually that local, I have to take a bus to get there. It's tiny - basically a corner shop. UK pharmacies get a fee from the NHS for each prescription they dispense. But I imagine that's not enough to keep them running; they need the profits they make from manuka honey shampoo, argan-oil skin products, dubious supplements and so on.
- mindslight 3y ago
  I'm sure the same snake oil dynamic exists everywhere, but the popularity sure seems like a feature of rampant individualism as enabled by wealth. Don't follow professional "medical advice" - that's boring, we all know it's bound to fail, and that's if you can even get an appointment with an engaged professional. Instead "do your own research" and find that one simple trick that "they" have been keeping from you. The lure of someone believing that they've discovered their own smarter approach is a hell of a drug.
- fzeroracer 3y ago
  Every country has some degree of homeopathic cures. What makes the US particularly stand out is that people integrate homeopathic bullshit as a replacement for proper medical care and treatment. It's been a long standing problem heightened over the past few years as certain groups grow in cultish fervor.
- infecto 3y ago
  It exists everywhere in some form. Germany is famous for have homeopathic MDs. Much of Asia is filled with some style of Traditional Chinese Medicine. In the US it exists in mostly the wealthier circles where people can afford to believe in snake oil. I believe there are definitely certain components/compounds that exist in nature that have been used successfully but I think that dwarfs the vast amount of fake supplements and drugs that exist.
  - sixothree 3y ago
    I think the difference is we have entire shelves in many stores stocked with products with zero proven efficacy related to what is claimed on the packaging.
  - Nursie 3y ago
    I believe that too. There are none in homeopathic “remedies” though, as their process of manufacture removes any and all potential active ingredients.
- diydsp 3y ago
  China.
hooverd 3y ago
Whole Foods is simply responding to market forces. Blame the market, not the Whole Foods.
- jameshart 3y ago
  Marketplaces are under no obligation to stock things just because someone is dumb enough to buy it and someone else unscrupulous enough to make it.
  - hooverd 3y ago
    Hate to see Big Homeopathy bully Amazon/Whole Foods. They're not under any obligation not too either. If people want to buy quack products either let them or just ban them.
- SECProto 3y ago
  > Blame the market, not the Whole Foods I blame the regulations (more specifically, the lack thereof)
- o11c 3y ago
  That's only a valid approach if the responder is not also an influencer.
- kevinmchugh 3y ago
  Whole foods chooses not to stock meat they believe is unethically produced. They have a whole list of ingredients they reject: https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/quality-standards/food-ingredient-standards https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/quality-standards/food-ingr... They could take the same stand against homeopathy. It's really strange that they don't.
  - hooverd 3y ago
    I think homeopathy is bullshit. I also think Whole Foods is acting completely rationally here. The people who take quack products are probably in the intersection of people who value ethically produced meat.
icegreentea2 3y ago
$2 a liter is not out of line for 'normal' fancy water - that's around the cost of fiji or evian. Your point stands... that's a ridiculous $$$ for water, but we've been conditioned for a long time that that price point is 'reasonable'.

plagiarist 3y ago

I've seen homeopathic nonsense in chain drug stores. Is it a symptom of how unaffordable US healthcare is, or are people in other countries also profiting from selling quackery?

gedy 3y ago
> Is it a symptom of how unaffordable US healthcare is In my circles, it's actually the well-off people who buy into the quack fads.
denton-scratch 3y ago
My local pharmacy (not any kind of chain) sells homeopathic crap. It's a nice pharmacy; it's not actually that local, I have to take a bus to get there. It's tiny - basically a corner shop. UK pharmacies get a fee from the NHS for each prescription they dispense. But I imagine that's not enough to keep them running; they need the profits they make from manuka honey shampoo, argan-oil skin products, dubious supplements and so on.
mindslight 3y ago
I'm sure the same snake oil dynamic exists everywhere, but the popularity sure seems like a feature of rampant individualism as enabled by wealth. Don't follow professional "medical advice" - that's boring, we all know it's bound to fail, and that's if you can even get an appointment with an engaged professional. Instead "do your own research" and find that one simple trick that "they" have been keeping from you. The lure of someone believing that they've discovered their own smarter approach is a hell of a drug.
fzeroracer 3y ago
Every country has some degree of homeopathic cures. What makes the US particularly stand out is that people integrate homeopathic bullshit as a replacement for proper medical care and treatment. It's been a long standing problem heightened over the past few years as certain groups grow in cultish fervor.
infecto 3y ago
It exists everywhere in some form. Germany is famous for have homeopathic MDs. Much of Asia is filled with some style of Traditional Chinese Medicine. In the US it exists in mostly the wealthier circles where people can afford to believe in snake oil. I believe there are definitely certain components/compounds that exist in nature that have been used successfully but I think that dwarfs the vast amount of fake supplements and drugs that exist.
- sixothree 3y ago
  I think the difference is we have entire shelves in many stores stocked with products with zero proven efficacy related to what is claimed on the packaging.
- Nursie 3y ago
  I believe that too. There are none in homeopathic “remedies” though, as their process of manufacture removes any and all potential active ingredients.
diydsp 3y ago
China.

hooverd 3y ago

Whole Foods is simply responding to market forces. Blame the market, not the Whole Foods.

jameshart 3y ago
Marketplaces are under no obligation to stock things just because someone is dumb enough to buy it and someone else unscrupulous enough to make it.
- hooverd 3y ago
  Hate to see Big Homeopathy bully Amazon/Whole Foods. They're not under any obligation not too either. If people want to buy quack products either let them or just ban them.
SECProto 3y ago
> Blame the market, not the Whole Foods I blame the regulations (more specifically, the lack thereof)
o11c 3y ago
That's only a valid approach if the responder is not also an influencer.
kevinmchugh 3y ago
Whole foods chooses not to stock meat they believe is unethically produced. They have a whole list of ingredients they reject: https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/quality-standards/food-ingredient-standards https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/quality-standards/food-ingr... They could take the same stand against homeopathy. It's really strange that they don't.
- hooverd 3y ago
  I think homeopathy is bullshit. I also think Whole Foods is acting completely rationally here. The people who take quack products are probably in the intersection of people who value ethically produced meat.

icegreentea2 3y ago

$2 a liter is not out of line for 'normal' fancy water - that's around the cost of fiji or evian. Your point stands... that's a ridiculous $$$ for water, but we've been conditioned for a long time that that price point is 'reasonable'.