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We Finally Have Proof That the Internet Is Worse
- jjgreen 3y agoWith paywalls, for example ...
- Ylpertnodi 3y agoWith captchas, for example.
- icegreentea2 3y agoI think this reflective attitude is actually part of the root cause of how we got into this mess. Google was able to bootstrap off the entire "open internet" and "information wants to be free" mindset, without ever really solving the dilemma of "information wants to be free, but time, electricity and bandwidth isn't". Or "information wants to be free, but what if someone wants to make a living synthesizing and peddling new information?". Instead we ended up with all of our costs being hidden away and borne through advertisement, or other indirect forms of bundling. No ordinary person knows the value or cost of what their interacting with in these "free interactions", or even the value of their interactions. This gives all of the incentives and cover required for fresh bullshit to happen. I'd actually argue that despite all the downsides of paywalls, paywalls are at least in principle up front with what's happening. Incentives and costs are clear. In other words, I'd argue that Google (especially) has managed to doubly exploit our love of "free". Obviously the ordinary person loves free, but Google was also able to for a long time to also coast off and exploit enormous amounts of good-will amongst the professional developer ranks by aligning itself with "information wants to be free".
- zvmaz 3y ago> I'd actually argue that despite all the downsides of paywalls, paywalls are at least in principle up front with what's happening. Incentives and costs are clear. There are also working people behind the articles we read that have to put food on the table, how are they to be remunerated?
- ericfrazier 3y agoThose paywalls don't save you from any tracking, it's just more bad on top of bad.
- icegreentea2 3y agoThat's fair, especially as they exist today. I'd argue that an internet where paying for stuff was normalized would greatly reduce the need for tracking, and therefore the amount of pushback against any type of regulation.
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- skilled 3y agohttps://archive.ph/6zvqS https://archive.ph/6zvqS
- DangitBobby 3y agoSorry for off-topic but does anyone else find that for some reason archive.* addresses occasionally refuse to resolve only on Comcast? If I switch to mobile data it resolves.
- somenameforme 3y agoHave you tried swapping your DNS server? 1.1.1.1 = cloudflare, 9.9.9.9 = quad9, 216.87.84.211 = open NIC.
- ksherlock 3y agoarchive.* DNS doesn't work with cloudfare's 1.1.1.1 for ... reasons. Perhaps it's related. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317
- k310 3y agoUndoubtedly, Comcast is handing you a DNS server different from your mobile. On the desktop, archive.* just failed when I am using iCloud Private Relay. Mobile works with the same setting. (wi-fi and wireless only) With ICPR, you can choose country+timezone or general location. Just another thing to check. May not apply to you.
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- alangibson 3y agoDarkly ironic that this article is paywalled
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- 1970-01-01 3y agoAlso, they rap on the Internet when they really mean World Wide Web. The Internet is fantastic. The Web has never been worse.
- bigstrat2003 3y agoFor all but the most dedicated pedants, those terms are synonymous.
- alangibson 3y agoFor most normies "internet" is synonymous with their favorite social media site and maybe Google. I've been talking to quite a few Zoomers lately about the Internet. Not a single one of them knew what the WWW was. They though it was basically something Google made. The important social media apps (Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and to a lesser degree Twitter) are barely part of the Web. They mostly treat the WWW as a minor traffic acquisition platform.
- ericfrazier 3y agoReddit is in that list and I have to imagine a lot of their traffic is still WWW
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- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoIf you'll forgive my quoting xkcd, > but as I see it "pedantic" is just a euphemism for "correct in a way I don't like". And this is HN; if you want to use words incorrectly and not get called on it, this is a bad place to post.
- Forge36 3y agoInnocent until proven guilty. Unless it drives clicks and increases revenue. As much as I'd like to jump on this bandwagon. It's above my pay grade.
- renegat0x0 3y agoFor YouTubers you are guilty until you prove innocent. It is funny that there are different rules for creators on platforms and platforms themselves. Imagine if google was not to be able to monetize anything until it proves innocence.
- ChrisLTD 3y agoCompanies and people deserve “due process”, when it comes to prosecution in a courtroom. However, unlike the government, we don't have the power to put someone in jail, or extract a fine. So we can decide given the available information if a company or person is acting badly and act accordingly.
- AlbertCory 3y agothat applies to criminal trials. Not civil ones.
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- zvmaz 3y agoSincere question for the people who think paywalls are bad: How are journalists and writers to be paid?
- EA-3167 3y agoThere's more to it, because plenty of journalists and writers get paid without a paywall, but that's because some vastly wealthy person or corporation is using them to create and spread propaganda. Fox News will always be free, that's the point. This disdain for paying for things disproportionately advantages propagandists who aren't in the business to make a profit, and undercuts outsiders who want to genuinely dive into long-form, investigative pieces.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago> Fox News will always be free, that's the point. As will CNN, MSNBC, etc. Your (un?)intentional omission of left-leaning sites, ironically, reads like propaganda.
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- k310 3y agohttps://archive.md/6zvqS https://archive.md/6zvqS
- k310 3y agoWait! There's less! The link to Megan Gray's article goes here: https://www.wired.com/story/google-antitrust-lawsuit-search-results/ https://www.wired.com/story/google-antitrust-lawsuit-search-... EDITOR’S NOTE 10/6/2023: After careful review of the op-ed, "How Google Alters Search Queries to Get at Your Wallet," and relevant material provided to us following its publication, WIRED editorial leadership has determined that the story does not meet our editorial standards. It has been removed. Wayback says: Hrm. Wayback Machine has not archived that URL. Click here to search for all archived pages under https://archive.md/o/6zvqS/https://www.wired.com/story/google-antitrust-lawsuit-search-results/ https://archive.md/o/6zvqS/https://www.wired.com/story/googl... (nada) Welcome to the enshittified internet.
- Mathnerd314 3y agoThere is a copy in archive.today https://archive.md/kmhqs https://archive.md/kmhqs
- k310 3y agoThanks. I need more coffee.
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- chaosbolt 3y agoOh and here I was thinking it was better before seeing the proof. 10 years ago: find anything using google, youtube is still interesting, few AI generated content, lots of communities Today: Never thought I'd switch to fu*ing Yandex of everything, Youtube ignores my search queries and instead shows me shorts of people dancing, every article accessible via Google is censored or AI written or sells me something, no forums and you have to be on facebook and discord and telegram and reddit to read on anything and since those are big platformes speech is heavily censored and you get left with that void for more/opposing view or with cognitive dissonance, everyone is trying to convert you into buying something or viewing ads.
- plagiarist 3y agoPeople used to make webpages because they were driven by interest in a topic. Now they make listicles to eke out SEM traffic for little trickles of ad or affiliate revenue.
- hhh 3y agoI know that it's only one of your examples, but I have never seen speech censored on Discord.
- johngladtj 3y agoThat's kind of the point of censoring things
- Mathnerd314 3y agoI'm on 100 servers (the free maximum) and I've gotten several notifications like "Server XYZ has been deleted for violating our community guidelines."
- Jensson 3y ago> youtube is still interesting I find way more interesting stuff in youtube today than 10 years ago. Maybe it is more that you changed rather than youtube changed?