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John is nice to work with. Very numbers-focused. If you have a flaw in your logic, he’ll call you on it. And he’s looking for vice-versa —- nothing seems to mak
by sillysaurusx 3y ago
John is nice to work with. Very numbers-focused. If you have a flaw in your logic, he’ll call you on it. And he’s looking for vice-versa —- nothing seems to make him happier than when you point out a flaw that he hadn’t considered.
I don’t know Rich, but John has said they work well together, and it’s exciting to see them collaborate. There are some unique ideas at Keen worth pursuing that I haven’t seen elsewhere. Looking forward to seeing more researchers join in the future.
- throwaway10965 3y agoWhere do you read details about Keen's work and ideas?
- sillysaurusx 3y agoYou’ll have to join them.
- throwaway10965 3y agoDoes that mean you work with them? Can you tell us more about that?
- sillysaurusx 3y agoI can’t go into specifics for obvious reasons, but I can tell you they’re a smart, capable crew, with lots of resources, and time is on their side. If I had to place bets on which lab will invent agi, they’d be near the top, precisely because they’re exploring ideas that others don’t seem to be focusing on. It’s the early stages, so it’ll take a few years to get to results. But they’re laser-focused. There are a bunch of things I thought were cool. John has a worklog going back four years or so, with entries practically every day. He’s nothing if not thorough. Everyone tends to focus on John, but the other members are just as professional and dedicated. They’re a delight to work with. Also the investors are worth mentioning — Nat in particular has built a super cluster of H100s for startups to use, and has done a bunch of other work to support AI.
- HoDaMoFoDor 3y agoHow do people apply? They don't seem to have much of a web presence.
- sillysaurusx 3y agoI think he sources from people he knows, so your best bet is an intro.
- HoDaMoFoDor 3y agoThanks, I'm pretty interested, but don't have any direct connects.
- intelVISA 3y agoI'd accept a massive pay cut to work with such legends :/
- gallerdude 3y agoI don’t think spending is their primary constraint; they’re probably looking for talent, no matter the cost.
- ativzzz 3y agoIt seems more of a place that finds you if you are doing interesting work
- chubot 3y agoIf I had to place bets on which lab will invent agi I'd bet against "invent AGI" being a coherent or agreed upon thing, and I'd also bet against the "wake-up" scenario of a system saying "I'm AGI" Which lab invented deep learning? Certainly U Toronto had the breakthrough that made a 30+ year old field exciting, but there was a lot of work in Montreal, NYU, Google, DeepMind, OpenAI, and many other places
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- espadrine 3y agoRichard Sutton has done fascinating RL research in the past. Lately, though, he has been advocating for ending humanity, which is a bit more chilling[1]: > Rather quickly, [AI] would displace us from existence. […] It behooves us to give them every advantage, and to bow out when we can no longer contribute… [1]: https://youtu.be/NgHFMolXs3U?si=5sriRVFKw61K5yes&t=399 https://youtu.be/NgHFMolXs3U?si=5sriRVFKw61K5yes&t=399
- belter 3y agoThat is not, what he is advocating, at the timestamp you referred to.
- Qwertious 3y ago>That is ... what he is advocating, at the timestamp you referred to. There's no such thing as taking a quote out of context, only enhancing it!
- belter 3y agoThere is no such thing as watching the same video and getting to wildly different conclusions :-) I could explain it, but I think would be condescending...
- DHaldane 3y agoAfter watching the video, I agree with that summarization of Rich's arguments. Building AI so humanity can go gently into that good night seemed very much the theme of that talk. What is your take on it?
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