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Man we have really entered an era were companies have access to powerful tools to convince people using psychological techniques.

Bud 3y ago
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tamaharbor 3y ago
Governments also.
lowdownbutter 3y ago
Welcome to the information war.
NotGMan 3y ago
It has been so since the time of religion. The only difference now is that people are more aware of it.
hnlmorg 3y ago
This has been the case for a hundred years already. It is why Santa is dressed in red. Why people buy diamond engagement rings. Why cigarettes were readily available for literally decades after they were already known to be harmful. And why American gun control laws have never matured despite all the evidence that proves the status quo isn’t viable.
- diogenes4 3y ago
  > And why American gun control laws have never matured despite all the evidence that proves the status quo isn’t viable. Tbh I don't think this has anything to do with marketing. Guns are just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want them to be or not. If we were capable of changing this we'd be capable of doing a hell of a lot of other things, too, instead of sitting on our hands and loudly babbling about individual freedoms as a form of politics.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    Guns are as much part of the American culture as SUVs are: mostly fabricated by advertisement and corporate lobbying (which too is “part of the American culture”, I guess).
    - whelp_24 3y ago
      No. Guns literally are part of the founding od America. We got the second Amendment precisely because England tried to do things like take guns and quarter soldiers. Guns are and always have been part of American culture. I would also research the history of gun control the U.S, it may surprise you.
      - littlestymaar 3y ago
        > Guns literally are part of the founding od America. Guns are the founding part of basically every country, because in the end “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”. You got the second amendment for the same reason the French got paragraph 35 of the Declaration of the Rights of the Man and of the Citizen of 1793: «Quand le gouvernement viole les droits du peuple, l’insurrection est, pour le peuple et pour chaque portion du peuple, le plus sacré des droits et le plus indispensable des devoirs.», because when their newly founded state relied on people's insurrection to exist, they made sure that they wrote their fundamental texts in a way that guarantees it. Then the political structure of the US made the constitution very stable compared to the French ones. The second amendment's history was then co-opted by the NRA in their marketing campaign, but this has little to do with what the second amendment is really about, that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”. And the current gun culture is in fact mostly “conservative culture in the Reagan era and after”.
        whelp_24 3y ago
        You can support gun rights without the NRA. In fact, I sorta thought i was clearly implying the "people's veto" of gun rights. Reagan put the first gun restriction laws of California in place because of the Black Panthers. I wasn't defending him.
- CM30 3y ago
  Just gonna point out that the modern image of Santa Claus (or him wearing red) wasn't actually created by Coca Cola: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-claus-that-refreshes/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-claus-that-refreshes/ It probably helped cement that as the standard image of the character, but that was becoming the default look anyway.
  - hnlmorg 3y ago
    I didn’t mean to suggest they invented Santa. Just popularised the red and white colour scheme. Yeah it existed before, but it wasn’t the standard representation. And now it absolutely is.
diogenes4 3y ago
You could've said this every year for the last two hundred years. Maybe longer.
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kibwen 3y ago
Yes, you've described the entire advertising industry in a nutshell. Socially-acceptable corporate-sponsored brainwashing.

Bud 3y ago

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tamaharbor 3y ago

Governments also.

lowdownbutter 3y ago

Welcome to the information war.

NotGMan 3y ago

It has been so since the time of religion. The only difference now is that people are more aware of it.

hnlmorg 3y ago

This has been the case for a hundred years already. It is why Santa is dressed in red. Why people buy diamond engagement rings. Why cigarettes were readily available for literally decades after they were already known to be harmful. And why American gun control laws have never matured despite all the evidence that proves the status quo isn’t viable.

diogenes4 3y ago
> And why American gun control laws have never matured despite all the evidence that proves the status quo isn’t viable. Tbh I don't think this has anything to do with marketing. Guns are just a part of our culture regardless of whether we want them to be or not. If we were capable of changing this we'd be capable of doing a hell of a lot of other things, too, instead of sitting on our hands and loudly babbling about individual freedoms as a form of politics.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  Guns are as much part of the American culture as SUVs are: mostly fabricated by advertisement and corporate lobbying (which too is “part of the American culture”, I guess).
  - whelp_24 3y ago
    No. Guns literally are part of the founding od America. We got the second Amendment precisely because England tried to do things like take guns and quarter soldiers. Guns are and always have been part of American culture. I would also research the history of gun control the U.S, it may surprise you.
    - littlestymaar 3y ago
      > Guns literally are part of the founding od America. Guns are the founding part of basically every country, because in the end “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”. You got the second amendment for the same reason the French got paragraph 35 of the Declaration of the Rights of the Man and of the Citizen of 1793: «Quand le gouvernement viole les droits du peuple, l’insurrection est, pour le peuple et pour chaque portion du peuple, le plus sacré des droits et le plus indispensable des devoirs.», because when their newly founded state relied on people's insurrection to exist, they made sure that they wrote their fundamental texts in a way that guarantees it. Then the political structure of the US made the constitution very stable compared to the French ones. The second amendment's history was then co-opted by the NRA in their marketing campaign, but this has little to do with what the second amendment is really about, that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”. And the current gun culture is in fact mostly “conservative culture in the Reagan era and after”.
      - whelp_24 3y ago
        You can support gun rights without the NRA. In fact, I sorta thought i was clearly implying the "people's veto" of gun rights. Reagan put the first gun restriction laws of California in place because of the Black Panthers. I wasn't defending him.
CM30 3y ago
Just gonna point out that the modern image of Santa Claus (or him wearing red) wasn't actually created by Coca Cola: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-claus-that-refreshes/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-claus-that-refreshes/ It probably helped cement that as the standard image of the character, but that was becoming the default look anyway.
- hnlmorg 3y ago
  I didn’t mean to suggest they invented Santa. Just popularised the red and white colour scheme. Yeah it existed before, but it wasn’t the standard representation. And now it absolutely is.

diogenes4 3y ago

You could've said this every year for the last two hundred years. Maybe longer.

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kibwen 3y ago

Yes, you've described the entire advertising industry in a nutshell. Socially-acceptable corporate-sponsored brainwashing.