49 ms·

If you feel need to argue you are not winning

by FpUser 3y ago

throwaway290 3y ago
If you are winning without arguing you are not in democracy
- FpUser 3y ago
  Cut the bull. The political systems of the West claim to be superior in how we treat our own citizens and it is generally true. There is no need to argue about that between ourselves. As for the world where each country is an individual citizen - it is not a democracy. The only rule is: might is right except when some country might feel that bad PR is not good at this particular moment. We are however degrading and I care very much about what is happening here right where I live rather than twisting some other country's hands into "democracy" by way of sanctions, bombing etc.
  - tjrgergw 3y ago
    > There is no need to argue about that between ourselves. I don't know. Speaking strictly objectively: if you look at polls, Putin is extremely popular amongst republican voters.
    - FpUser 3y ago
      The West had dealt with, tolerated and admired many dictators and keeps doing it. It does not mean that we import their way of governing. At least not yet. Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA? But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there
        tjrgergw 3y ago
        You think that Russia won the Ukraine war?
        throwaway290 3y ago
        No, I write that pro war side in Russia won the argument about whether to go to war using FpUser logic: > If you feel need to argue you are not winning Yeah Putin never felt the need to argue about war. Meaning that logic makes absolutely zero sense unless you're a dictator.
        FpUser 3y ago
        You have some pretty wild imagination. Not my logic at all.
        FpUser 3y ago
        If the US was smarter Russia would not be in UA at all.
        throwaway290 3y ago
        Maybe if they did the orange revolution or something sure, but you can go down the what if route forever and no one has actual access to alternative histories and whether it would have been worse. But of course you know better.

If you feel need to argue you are not winning

by FpUser 3y ago

If you feel need to argue you are not winning

throwaway290 3y ago

If you are winning without arguing you are not in democracy

FpUser 3y ago
Cut the bull. The political systems of the West claim to be superior in how we treat our own citizens and it is generally true. There is no need to argue about that between ourselves. As for the world where each country is an individual citizen - it is not a democracy. The only rule is: might is right except when some country might feel that bad PR is not good at this particular moment. We are however degrading and I care very much about what is happening here right where I live rather than twisting some other country's hands into "democracy" by way of sanctions, bombing etc.
- tjrgergw 3y ago
  > There is no need to argue about that between ourselves. I don't know. Speaking strictly objectively: if you look at polls, Putin is extremely popular amongst republican voters.
  - FpUser 3y ago
    The West had dealt with, tolerated and admired many dictators and keeps doing it. It does not mean that we import their way of governing. At least not yet. Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA? But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there
      - tjrgergw 3y ago
        You think that Russia won the Ukraine war?
        throwaway290 3y ago
        No, I write that pro war side in Russia won the argument about whether to go to war using FpUser logic: > If you feel need to argue you are not winning Yeah Putin never felt the need to argue about war. Meaning that logic makes absolutely zero sense unless you're a dictator.
        FpUser 3y ago
        You have some pretty wild imagination. Not my logic at all.
      - FpUser 3y ago
        If the US was smarter Russia would not be in UA at all.
        throwaway290 3y ago
        Maybe if they did the orange revolution or something sure, but you can go down the what if route forever and no one has actual access to alternative histories and whether it would have been worse. But of course you know better.