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I can only roll my eyes at this and continue to not take you seriously. First of all, you're assuming a parity between the governments of Iran and Saudi Arabia

I can only roll my eyes at this and continue to not take you seriously. First of all, you're assuming a parity between the governments of Iran and Saudi Arabia. A couple of years ago, I would have been more sympathetic to this point, but with Iran's brutal crackdown of late, which apparently includes widespread rape of women in prisons, I think it's safe to say the Regime is accomplishing the impressive feat of making Saudi Arabia look good. Really, I think it may really just come down to money; Saudi Arabia is in the fortunate position of being able to pay large chunks of its citizenry to be docile and follow the rules. If their economy was similarly bad, I do think it's likely they would be also be engaging in violent repression. Second of all, you can probably find plenty of Guardian articles criticizing the Saudi government. In fact, you've provided very little evidence of any kind that those three publications use any of the same language at all about either government, or that they don't criticize Saudi Arabia. Third, even if you could point to similarities, it wouldn't be evidence of a "conspiracy"; it would instead merely reflect a double-standard held among the Western public at large, which tends to view Iran worse than Saudi Arabia because, on some reptilian level, it knows Saudi Arabia is a geo-political ally and Iran is an enemy. If you want to say this opinion is hypocritical, I'd say you're probably right (especially since Saudi hasn't been acting like an ally lately), but of course, you're not making any such reasonable claim. At the end of the day, an allegation of "conspiracy" is simply something lodged by what I would call the "ignorant arrogant"; people who think they are smarter than they are, but who actually have no desire or ability to actually think critically. Instead, they just want an easy answer to lay blame for things they don't like. There is a lot of mental and emotional infirmity involved in calling things "conspiracies".

thriftwy 3y ago
> Iran's brutal crackdown of late We only know about Iran's brutal crackdown of late from western NGOs and their thralls. Heck, most of Iranians themselves are likely getting these news from these sources, and not from direct or second order witnesses. Meanwhile, we never seem to hear anything about Saudi Arabia. No crackdowns, no police brutality, no dress code enforcement. Yes, we do hear "criticisms of SA government", but that is a far cry from full throttle inciting of rebellions and then covering these rebellions 24/7, by the means of media. I'm not saying that Iran is a nice country to live if you are a young woman. It's just that in Saudi Arabia they could not even drive until very recently. A "double-standard held among the Western public at large" is the conspiracy I'm talking about. You don't need to have any evil puppeteers if your media are obedient to the sufficient extent and if self-proclaimed critical thinking experts are in fact mental gymnastics experts. I'm also wondering how much do you need to be paid to be content about not being treated as a person.
- catlover76 3y ago
  > A "double-standard held among the Western public at large" is the conspiracy I'm talking about. You don't need to have any evil puppeteers if your media are obedient to the sufficient extent and if self-proclaimed critical thinking experts are in fact mental gymnastics experts. If you think the media is "obedient", then yes, you are alleging a conspiracy because it makes you feel smarter and more savvy than you are. A general double-standard is not a conspiracy. > We only know about Iran's brutal crackdown of late from western NGOs and their thralls. Heck, most of Iranians themselves are likely getting these news from these sources, and not from direct or second order witnesses. This is such an absurd and kind of morally off thing to say; you're basically acting like certain horrors that are being perpetrated against some people probably aren't happening, and are ignoring any real footage that comes out of Iran. > Meanwhile, we never seem to hear anything about Saudi Arabia. No crackdowns, no police brutality, no dress code enforcement. You can hear plenty of negative news about it, but has it occurred to you that the reason why we hear less is because there is less? No, you could not give that notion any credence, because it would rob of you of the superiority you feel from being contrarian and sophomorically cynical.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    What real footage? As far as I noticed there are two bodies in Iran stories on the timespan of a year, one of which is still warm. It is a horrible personal tragedy, but as far as social struggle goes, not so much. There are likely much more secondary victims who were incited by NGOs to riot and got brutalized by riot police. Who is to blame here, especially in the absense of results? How much less are we hearing from SA? Half a dead body per year? We're not hearing anything and that's it.

thriftwy 3y ago

> Iran's brutal crackdown of late We only know about Iran's brutal crackdown of late from western NGOs and their thralls. Heck, most of Iranians themselves are likely getting these news from these sources, and not from direct or second order witnesses. Meanwhile, we never seem to hear anything about Saudi Arabia. No crackdowns, no police brutality, no dress code enforcement. Yes, we do hear "criticisms of SA government", but that is a far cry from full throttle inciting of rebellions and then covering these rebellions 24/7, by the means of media. I'm not saying that Iran is a nice country to live if you are a young woman. It's just that in Saudi Arabia they could not even drive until very recently. A "double-standard held among the Western public at large" is the conspiracy I'm talking about. You don't need to have any evil puppeteers if your media are obedient to the sufficient extent and if self-proclaimed critical thinking experts are in fact mental gymnastics experts. I'm also wondering how much do you need to be paid to be content about not being treated as a person.

catlover76 3y ago
> A "double-standard held among the Western public at large" is the conspiracy I'm talking about. You don't need to have any evil puppeteers if your media are obedient to the sufficient extent and if self-proclaimed critical thinking experts are in fact mental gymnastics experts. If you think the media is "obedient", then yes, you are alleging a conspiracy because it makes you feel smarter and more savvy than you are. A general double-standard is not a conspiracy. > We only know about Iran's brutal crackdown of late from western NGOs and their thralls. Heck, most of Iranians themselves are likely getting these news from these sources, and not from direct or second order witnesses. This is such an absurd and kind of morally off thing to say; you're basically acting like certain horrors that are being perpetrated against some people probably aren't happening, and are ignoring any real footage that comes out of Iran. > Meanwhile, we never seem to hear anything about Saudi Arabia. No crackdowns, no police brutality, no dress code enforcement. You can hear plenty of negative news about it, but has it occurred to you that the reason why we hear less is because there is less? No, you could not give that notion any credence, because it would rob of you of the superiority you feel from being contrarian and sophomorically cynical.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  What real footage? As far as I noticed there are two bodies in Iran stories on the timespan of a year, one of which is still warm. It is a horrible personal tragedy, but as far as social struggle goes, not so much. There are likely much more secondary victims who were incited by NGOs to riot and got brutalized by riot police. Who is to blame here, especially in the absense of results? How much less are we hearing from SA? Half a dead body per year? We're not hearing anything and that's it.