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When I decide to see things in my mind, if I don't focus enough to keep them still they never cease to become something else than they represent. If I imagine a

by d-lisp 3y ago

When I decide to see things in my mind, if I don't focus enough to keep them still they never cease to become something else than they represent. If I imagine a luxurious green field with an apple tree, immediately if I don't control the scene mentally to conserve it, some apple will fall producing a noise, some mad cow will run into the fov, trying to hit the apple with its horn, yelling and distracting me or whatever event that seems to happen naturally in the weird world that is my mind. Example : I imagine a table > the legs of the table become rubber and bend, the table seems to be a live and jumps like if it was alive, some marbles fall onto it like raindrops on a bad day of autumn, the table falls because of the marbles on the ground ... Very funny, but also quite frustrating because it really is HARD to stop stuff to happen.

ManuelKiessling 3y ago
I’m currently not sure if I have aphantasia or not. I don’t remember the number of windows in my house, and I’m currently not in or near my house, but no problem — I simply wander through my house in my mind, and count the windows: 9. So I cannot have aphantasia, right? How can I “visually” count the windows in my house without the capability to “see” in my mind? But all those tests? I never really “see” that darn apple, at least not in the way that “awake-plus-photons” seeing works for me. Not even close. It’s more like seeing conceptually, or in the abstract. Plus, I can relate to your comment. Maybe I have a focus problem, not an aphantasia problem? But I can plan, design, and implement really complex software systems, so I cannot have a focus problem, right?
- PortiaBerries 3y ago
  Wow, you don't have very many windows.
  - ManuelKiessling 3y ago
    Yeah, I’m more of a macOS and Linux guy these days.
- ozmodiar 3y ago
  I would describe my mental vision as working the same way as you, and have always tested highly in my ability to mentally manipulate 3D objects. I don't think this is aphantasia so much as a language issue when describing mental processes. I am a little surprised that some comments here reference people who claim to be able to generate mental images as if they see them, that's certainly a different level of visualization. Funny enough my son can't dream. It took him awhile to figure out something was different, and he was jealous that other people got to experience something 'like VR' when they sleep. I tried testing him for aphantasia by asking him to describe mental pictures and he seemed not to have it. Personally I have very vivid dreams. The brain is an interesting thing, and it's funny how hard it is to communicate the internal workings.
  - d-lisp 3y ago
    Honestly, that's hard to explain; I truly see colors, shading, lighting, can touch textures, feel weight of objects and etc... It's just that my body isn't truly performing these things. How do you remember a scene from your childhood ?
- d-lisp 3y ago
  For the software part it's weird because most of the time ideas happens instantaneously. I think solutions appears once I understand something about the problem. Solutions are then explored by my own mental compiler or interpreter, I can run them mentally and see where it fails or not. Problems are mostly a language problem, if I can describe the problem then it's not a problem anymore but almost the recipe to bake a solution. Complex problems appears when the sentence to describe them becomes too long (That's what it feels to me). Having a focus problem doesn't make you unable to solve complex problems, but rather forces you to break down complex problems into blocks, or to use abstractions to describe solved parts of a complex problems, or something else of that type (again, that's what it feels to me). Having a focus problem is like having too few RAM. If I count the numbers of windows in my house, I can do it mentally, by flying through my house, but I can also fill my house mentally with water and swim around to count them (and I would almost feel the cold water on my face and body and hear what you usually hear when you are underwater and etc...). I can also go outside and count the windows of my neighbors, and take a walk in some place I saw one time in my life. I can visit Roma if I want and all of that stuff. It's like I can trick my brain into thinking I am really in the situation I am thinking about. It's different from reality, but I don't know how to explain why and how it is different.
jddj 3y ago
This happens to me only if I'm particularly underslept.

by d-lisp 3y ago

ManuelKiessling 3y ago

I’m currently not sure if I have aphantasia or not. I don’t remember the number of windows in my house, and I’m currently not in or near my house, but no problem — I simply wander through my house in my mind, and count the windows: 9. So I cannot have aphantasia, right? How can I “visually” count the windows in my house without the capability to “see” in my mind? But all those tests? I never really “see” that darn apple, at least not in the way that “awake-plus-photons” seeing works for me. Not even close. It’s more like seeing conceptually, or in the abstract. Plus, I can relate to your comment. Maybe I have a focus problem, not an aphantasia problem? But I can plan, design, and implement really complex software systems, so I cannot have a focus problem, right?

PortiaBerries 3y ago
Wow, you don't have very many windows.
- ManuelKiessling 3y ago
  Yeah, I’m more of a macOS and Linux guy these days.
ozmodiar 3y ago
I would describe my mental vision as working the same way as you, and have always tested highly in my ability to mentally manipulate 3D objects. I don't think this is aphantasia so much as a language issue when describing mental processes. I am a little surprised that some comments here reference people who claim to be able to generate mental images as if they see them, that's certainly a different level of visualization. Funny enough my son can't dream. It took him awhile to figure out something was different, and he was jealous that other people got to experience something 'like VR' when they sleep. I tried testing him for aphantasia by asking him to describe mental pictures and he seemed not to have it. Personally I have very vivid dreams. The brain is an interesting thing, and it's funny how hard it is to communicate the internal workings.
- d-lisp 3y ago
  Honestly, that's hard to explain; I truly see colors, shading, lighting, can touch textures, feel weight of objects and etc... It's just that my body isn't truly performing these things. How do you remember a scene from your childhood ?
d-lisp 3y ago
For the software part it's weird because most of the time ideas happens instantaneously. I think solutions appears once I understand something about the problem. Solutions are then explored by my own mental compiler or interpreter, I can run them mentally and see where it fails or not. Problems are mostly a language problem, if I can describe the problem then it's not a problem anymore but almost the recipe to bake a solution. Complex problems appears when the sentence to describe them becomes too long (That's what it feels to me). Having a focus problem doesn't make you unable to solve complex problems, but rather forces you to break down complex problems into blocks, or to use abstractions to describe solved parts of a complex problems, or something else of that type (again, that's what it feels to me). Having a focus problem is like having too few RAM. If I count the numbers of windows in my house, I can do it mentally, by flying through my house, but I can also fill my house mentally with water and swim around to count them (and I would almost feel the cold water on my face and body and hear what you usually hear when you are underwater and etc...). I can also go outside and count the windows of my neighbors, and take a walk in some place I saw one time in my life. I can visit Roma if I want and all of that stuff. It's like I can trick my brain into thinking I am really in the situation I am thinking about. It's different from reality, but I don't know how to explain why and how it is different.

jddj 3y ago

This happens to me only if I'm particularly underslept.