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I agree, but people have been ringing the bells about climate change for 40 years. When will we actually do something about it? I think the increased sensationa

I agree, but people have been ringing the bells about climate change for 40 years. When will we actually do something about it? I think the increased sensationalism is, at the very least, a sign that people are becoming afraid about our lack of action.

Alupis 3y ago
This is false dichotomy. We are doing things about it - but those things take time to mature and become ready. The Zealots just cannot fathom things not being good enough to act catastrophically right now. We simply are not ready yet to ditch fossil fuels and go full-electric - among other things. There will be a day, yes, and that day might be within our lifetimes (hopefully), but forcing it right now when it's clearly not ready is so incomprehensibly short-sighted that it borders on insanity. We cannot even keep the lights on year-round as it is. Imaging going full-eclectic everything today. The amount of pain the nation would feel would lead to an irreversible backwards slide of all the progress that's been made. It would set the climate activist agenda back decades. My point is, the cooler heads need to prevail here. We are marching ever-towards a cleaner future - we just aren't there yet. We need to stop the silly posturing and tribal signals, such as plastic straw bans and what-not, and focus on what actually matters... and not force it until it's actually ready.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  You are saying we are getting there, but don't give evidence that the pace of change is fast enough. Instead you call everyone who says the pace isn't fast enough (which includes most of the scientists working on climate change btw) "sensationalists" and "zealots". Do you have any evidence that the current pace of change is sufficient to avert the most damaging aspects of climate change?
- jplusequalt 3y ago
  I strongly disagree that we are doing something about it. We are doing the bare minimum, if that. Until we start heavily regulating corporations on their carbon impact and taxing further carbon from being extracted from the ground, we aren't truly doing something about climate change.
- vanviegen 3y ago
  I couldn't disagree with you more. We're barely scratching the surface of what needs to be done to preserve some stability in our climate and by extension our way of life for the next decades. So yes of course we should ban plastic straws, even though it looks a bit silly given the much larger sources of environmental damage that have not been banned yet. We should seek to ban these too, and as soon as possible. And indeed, doing this will cause some pain. Things will become more expensive (or more fairly priced, if you consider externalities). We may be able to buy less junk. Would that be a "irreversible backwards slide of all the progress that's been made"? I guess this makes me a Zealot in your book.

Alupis 3y ago

This is false dichotomy. We are doing things about it - but those things take time to mature and become ready. The Zealots just cannot fathom things not being good enough to act catastrophically right now. We simply are not ready yet to ditch fossil fuels and go full-electric - among other things. There will be a day, yes, and that day might be within our lifetimes (hopefully), but forcing it right now when it's clearly not ready is so incomprehensibly short-sighted that it borders on insanity. We cannot even keep the lights on year-round as it is. Imaging going full-eclectic everything today. The amount of pain the nation would feel would lead to an irreversible backwards slide of all the progress that's been made. It would set the climate activist agenda back decades. My point is, the cooler heads need to prevail here. We are marching ever-towards a cleaner future - we just aren't there yet. We need to stop the silly posturing and tribal signals, such as plastic straw bans and what-not, and focus on what actually matters... and not force it until it's actually ready.

cycomanic 3y ago
You are saying we are getting there, but don't give evidence that the pace of change is fast enough. Instead you call everyone who says the pace isn't fast enough (which includes most of the scientists working on climate change btw) "sensationalists" and "zealots". Do you have any evidence that the current pace of change is sufficient to avert the most damaging aspects of climate change?
jplusequalt 3y ago
I strongly disagree that we are doing something about it. We are doing the bare minimum, if that. Until we start heavily regulating corporations on their carbon impact and taxing further carbon from being extracted from the ground, we aren't truly doing something about climate change.
vanviegen 3y ago
I couldn't disagree with you more. We're barely scratching the surface of what needs to be done to preserve some stability in our climate and by extension our way of life for the next decades. So yes of course we should ban plastic straws, even though it looks a bit silly given the much larger sources of environmental damage that have not been banned yet. We should seek to ban these too, and as soon as possible. And indeed, doing this will cause some pain. Things will become more expensive (or more fairly priced, if you consider externalities). We may be able to buy less junk. Would that be a "irreversible backwards slide of all the progress that's been made"? I guess this makes me a Zealot in your book.