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Didn't he do what he always does. Rake in a ton of money, fart around and then cash out exclaiming it's everyone else's fault? The way he stole Fail0verflow's

Didn't he do what he always does. Rake in a ton of money, fart around and then cash out exclaiming it's everyone else's fault? The way he stole Fail0verflow's work with the PS3 security leak after failing to find a hypervisor exploit for months absolutely soured any respect I had for him at the time

throwitawayfam 3y ago
Yep, did exactly that. IMO he threw a fit, even though AMD was working with him squashing bugs. https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/2198#issuecomment-1574383483 https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/2198#issuec...
- aeyes 3y ago
  He's back on it after getting AMD's CEO to commit resources to this: https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1669803464082489347 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/166980346408248934... https://twitter.com/LisaSu/status/1669848494637735936 https://twitter.com/LisaSu/status/1669848494637735936
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- nomel 3y ago
  To be fair, kernel crashes from running an AMD provided demo loop isn’t something he should have to work with them on. That’s borderline incompetence. His perspective was around integration into his product, where every AMD bug is a bug in his product. They deserve criticism, and responded accordingly (actual resources to get their shit together). It’s not like GPU accelerated ML is some new thing.
- JonChesterfield 3y ago
  That's a tough issue to read through, thanks for the link. 'Your demo code on a system setup exactly as you describe dereferences null in the kernel and falls over'. Fuzz testing + a vaguely reasonable kernel debugging workflow should make things like that much harder to find.
adastra22 3y ago
Wow, TIL
kinematikk 3y ago
Do you have a source on the stealing part? A quick Google search didn't result in anything
- IntelMiner 3y ago
  Marcan (of Asahi Linux fame) has talked about it many times before. But an abridged version Fail0verflow demoed how they were able to derive the private signing keys for the Sony Playstation 3 console at I believe CCC Geohot after watching the livestream raced into action to demo a "hello world!" jailbreak application and absolutely stole their thunder without giving any credit
  - aftbit 3y ago
    This apparently worked pretty well for him, as I still remember him primarily as "that guy who hacked PS3". Some people let someone else do the hard technical core, then do all the other easy but boring stuff and claim 100% credit.
    - 22c 3y ago
      I remember geohot as being one of the people who developed a fairly successful jailbreak for iPhone. I understand that iPhone jailbreaking is often standing on the shoulders of predecessors, but I believe he does deserve significant credit for at least one popular iPhone jailbreak.
  - ryanjshaw 3y ago
    If they demod something then they released it publically and it was fair game? In any case he absolutely did credit them, it's easily verifiable: https://web.archive.org/web/20110104040706/http://geohot.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110104040706/http://geohot.com... Sony sued them both, afterall!
ShamelessC 3y ago
> The way he stole Fail0verflow's work with the PS3 security leak after failing to find a hypervisor exploit for months absolutely soured any respect I had for him at the time That sounds interesting. I tried googling about it but can't really find much other than that failoverflow found a key and didn't release it, and then geohot released his own subsequently. I'd love to hear more about how directly he "stole" the work from the Fail0verflow team. edit: Reading some sibling comments here, it seems you are either mistaken and/or were exaggerating your claim about the "theft" here. As far as I can tell, he simply took their findings and made his own version of an exploit that they had detailed publicly. That may be in poor taste in this particular community but it's certainly not theft. I do agree that his behavior there was lacking in decency, but not to the degree implied here where I was thinking he _literally_ stole their exploit by hacking them, or something similar to that.
- cyrux004 3y ago
  People here generally try to bash people who are much smarter than them, throwing shade at their background. They will say that he abandoned his first company, gave up on tiny grad but both of them are very much alive projects
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georgehotz 3y ago
Are you interested in being factually correct, or are you interested in hating? If it's the former, I think you should do some research. If it's the latter, :salute: I had GPT-4 do some research for you, hopefully you will incorporate it in future comments you make about me. https://chat.openai.com/share/d0fa24e9-3ed7-4b17-8497-24bfdd2efde0 https://chat.openai.com/share/d0fa24e9-3ed7-4b17-8497-24bfdd...

throwitawayfam 3y ago

Yep, did exactly that. IMO he threw a fit, even though AMD was working with him squashing bugs. https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/2198#issuecomment-1574383483 https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm/issues/2198#issuec...

aeyes 3y ago
He's back on it after getting AMD's CEO to commit resources to this: https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1669803464082489347 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/166980346408248934... https://twitter.com/LisaSu/status/1669848494637735936 https://twitter.com/LisaSu/status/1669848494637735936
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nomel 3y ago
To be fair, kernel crashes from running an AMD provided demo loop isn’t something he should have to work with them on. That’s borderline incompetence. His perspective was around integration into his product, where every AMD bug is a bug in his product. They deserve criticism, and responded accordingly (actual resources to get their shit together). It’s not like GPU accelerated ML is some new thing.
JonChesterfield 3y ago
That's a tough issue to read through, thanks for the link. 'Your demo code on a system setup exactly as you describe dereferences null in the kernel and falls over'. Fuzz testing + a vaguely reasonable kernel debugging workflow should make things like that much harder to find.

adastra22 3y ago

Wow, TIL

kinematikk 3y ago

Do you have a source on the stealing part? A quick Google search didn't result in anything

IntelMiner 3y ago
Marcan (of Asahi Linux fame) has talked about it many times before. But an abridged version Fail0verflow demoed how they were able to derive the private signing keys for the Sony Playstation 3 console at I believe CCC Geohot after watching the livestream raced into action to demo a "hello world!" jailbreak application and absolutely stole their thunder without giving any credit
- aftbit 3y ago
  This apparently worked pretty well for him, as I still remember him primarily as "that guy who hacked PS3". Some people let someone else do the hard technical core, then do all the other easy but boring stuff and claim 100% credit.
  - 22c 3y ago
    I remember geohot as being one of the people who developed a fairly successful jailbreak for iPhone. I understand that iPhone jailbreaking is often standing on the shoulders of predecessors, but I believe he does deserve significant credit for at least one popular iPhone jailbreak.
- ryanjshaw 3y ago
  If they demod something then they released it publically and it was fair game? In any case he absolutely did credit them, it's easily verifiable: https://web.archive.org/web/20110104040706/http://geohot.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110104040706/http://geohot.com... Sony sued them both, afterall!

ShamelessC 3y ago

> The way he stole Fail0verflow's work with the PS3 security leak after failing to find a hypervisor exploit for months absolutely soured any respect I had for him at the time That sounds interesting. I tried googling about it but can't really find much other than that failoverflow found a key and didn't release it, and then geohot released his own subsequently. I'd love to hear more about how directly he "stole" the work from the Fail0verflow team. edit: Reading some sibling comments here, it seems you are either mistaken and/or were exaggerating your claim about the "theft" here. As far as I can tell, he simply took their findings and made his own version of an exploit that they had detailed publicly. That may be in poor taste in this particular community but it's certainly not theft. I do agree that his behavior there was lacking in decency, but not to the degree implied here where I was thinking he _literally_ stole their exploit by hacking them, or something similar to that.

cyrux004 3y ago
People here generally try to bash people who are much smarter than them, throwing shade at their background. They will say that he abandoned his first company, gave up on tiny grad but both of them are very much alive projects
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georgehotz 3y ago

Are you interested in being factually correct, or are you interested in hating? If it's the former, I think you should do some research. If it's the latter, :salute: I had GPT-4 do some research for you, hopefully you will incorporate it in future comments you make about me. https://chat.openai.com/share/d0fa24e9-3ed7-4b17-8497-24bfdd2efde0 https://chat.openai.com/share/d0fa24e9-3ed7-4b17-8497-24bfdd...