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ARM is a UK company - the UK is (stupidly) not part of the EU

b3orn 3y ago
They chose an ARM CPU by SiPearl. The European Processor Initiative (EPI) lists them as French/German. Interestingly Forschungszentrum Jülich (which this supercomputer is for) is also listed as member of EPI.
sproketboy 3y ago
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bee_rider 3y ago
I thought SoftBank bought them, making them a Japanese company? In any case, SiPearl seems to be the one designing the actual chip, they are French.
- sgerenser 3y ago
  Although SoftBank still owns 90% of the equity, they’re now back to being public and since their headquarters is still Cambridge, I’d still call them a UK company.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    That’s probably fair, I was just teasing. In general, I think ARM just was famously started in the UK and so they’ll always be associated with the country in some intangible way. It is sort of funny that we label companies like this, really they are all multi-national entities. Especially in the case of a company like ARM—they license out the designs to be (sometimes quite significantly!) customized by engineers in other countries, and I’m sure they integrate lots of feedback from those partners. Then those designs are often actually fabricated in a third country! Which is good, the world is best when we all need each other.
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- devnullbrain 3y ago
  >I thought SoftBank bought them, making them a Japanese company? What a weird metric for determining the nationality of a company. Intel are publicly traded: are they stateless?
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    I should have been more direct. The chip is being designed by a French company, they can license the IP from outside the EU while still building up the EU domestic chip building capabilities. They’ve just outsourced one (big) piece of the puzzle. Calling ARM a Japanese company was just to highlight the international nature of these sorts of projects.
  - shard 3y ago
    I think typically a company having shareholders all over the world does not make people think that it is stateless. However, ownership transfer does make a difference, especially when considering how much the new parent company alters the original company's image/culture. For example, I think that Segway has pretty much lost its US company image after being purchased by Ninebot, with Ninebot products being prominently displayed on the Segway website.
pjmlp 3y ago
It is still closer to us than depending on US technology, as times are proving globalization has gone too far.

They chose an ARM CPU by SiPearl. The European Processor Initiative (EPI) lists them as French/German. Interestingly Forschungszentrum Jülich (which this supercomputer is for) is also listed as member of EPI.

sproketboy 3y ago

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bee_rider 3y ago

I thought SoftBank bought them, making them a Japanese company? In any case, SiPearl seems to be the one designing the actual chip, they are French.

sgerenser 3y ago
Although SoftBank still owns 90% of the equity, they’re now back to being public and since their headquarters is still Cambridge, I’d still call them a UK company.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  That’s probably fair, I was just teasing. In general, I think ARM just was famously started in the UK and so they’ll always be associated with the country in some intangible way. It is sort of funny that we label companies like this, really they are all multi-national entities. Especially in the case of a company like ARM—they license out the designs to be (sometimes quite significantly!) customized by engineers in other countries, and I’m sure they integrate lots of feedback from those partners. Then those designs are often actually fabricated in a third country! Which is good, the world is best when we all need each other.
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devnullbrain 3y ago
>I thought SoftBank bought them, making them a Japanese company? What a weird metric for determining the nationality of a company. Intel are publicly traded: are they stateless?
- bee_rider 3y ago
  I should have been more direct. The chip is being designed by a French company, they can license the IP from outside the EU while still building up the EU domestic chip building capabilities. They’ve just outsourced one (big) piece of the puzzle. Calling ARM a Japanese company was just to highlight the international nature of these sorts of projects.
- shard 3y ago
  I think typically a company having shareholders all over the world does not make people think that it is stateless. However, ownership transfer does make a difference, especially when considering how much the new parent company alters the original company's image/culture. For example, I think that Segway has pretty much lost its US company image after being purchased by Ninebot, with Ninebot products being prominently displayed on the Segway website.

pjmlp 3y ago

It is still closer to us than depending on US technology, as times are proving globalization has gone too far.