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The morals and ethics of this are fascinating. Eg. from society’s point of view of supporting young couples for starting families, the ai would recommend one s

The morals and ethics of this are fascinating. Eg. from society’s point of view of supporting young couples for starting families, the ai would recommend one set of obvious recommendations based on sociological data. On the other hand, from a hedonistic point of view of maximizing short term dopamine, it should recommend completely different behavior. It could probably screen the user up front on what the goals of the dating are. Eg. Orgasm versus long term relationship.

falcolas 3y ago
Kink and families are hardly exclusive. Most folks I know of are in marriages (or equivalent) and quite a few have kids too. Adding extra dopamine to your reproductive behavior is hardly a bad thing.
friendzis 3y ago
No, no, no, it should recommend behaviors that create more engagement and ad views
- mtillman 3y ago
  This is actually the right answer AND imo the most horrifying aspect of it.
- EGreg 3y ago
  This! Why should the corporate shareholders take a hit when there is money to be made? After all these AIs are controlled entirely by the corporation, enough giving away frameworks and weights, gift economies don’t profit the owners The best part is when you have a very “captive audience” in the metaverse. If all your coworkers are using Meta for Work (serious stuff) and for the distributed happy hours, can you afford not to? Say hi to the AI robot bartender, and buy something cool for yourself. Here are some credits Also, when no one is around, why not pop in and talk to your friend’s avatar, who your friend willingly trained on his conversations, shares and likes to become “more efficient”. That surrogate can now respond to tons of queries from other friends’ surrogates as they wish them Happy Birthday in increasingly creative ways. And then you can mix and match your friends to create virtual friends you invite to metaverse parties and video calls — they are trained to gradually maximize revenue and may encourage your group to buy some digital assets or rent a dating venue that you don’t really own :) Or maybe be invited by members of your group and gradually shift the individual members’ thinking to one that is more acceptable to the corporation, never backing down or permanently changing their point of view from any arguments from humans. Simply play some friends against other friends and you can make them all purchase something together, get in line or be ostracized! Imagine how much money can be made by leveraging social capital and hacking people’s relationships. Facebook already cheapened words like “like”, “friend” and birthday wishes. Why not continue to innovate, move fast and break things.
- scotty79 3y ago
  We already have paperclip maximizer problem.
achenet 3y ago
I disagree that both are necessarily at odds. Practicing BDSM in a long term relationship is actually a good way to make it healthier, and many of the things that are good for one (communication, boundaries, self-knowledge) are good for the other. Even if you're trying to maximize orgasm, you're generally better off with one (or maybe a couple if you're lucky) of really good partners who know you well and who you have excellent chemistry with than a bunch of randos. Conversely, a long term relationship without any sexual chemistry is very likely to end badly.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  So I feel the need to disagree with the last part of this because Asexual people exist. I am in a long term relationship with one. You seem like someone that I would describe as "sex positive" and I feel the need to point out that being in that realm we shouldn't ignore that there are asexual people and it is possible to get different things from different people. I may not have many sexual relationships with my partner but being in an open relationship myself I don't have to put that pressure on him.
  - achenet 3y ago
    you're very correct, thank you for pointing that out ^_^
- btilly 3y ago
  That gets complicated. BDSM can be a positive in a healthy relationship. But I've also seen lots of abusive relationships where the abuser gaslit the target into accepting the abuse as BDSM. And the line between the two is rather fuzzy. Therefore the fact that it is CALLED BDSM doesn't make it healthy.
  - altairprime 3y ago
    Doesn’t necessarily make it healthy. Gaslighting will use any and all labels at hand, no matter how irrelevant they are to gaslighting. So, keep in mind that this advice is generically correct for any category label, not just BDSM. “But I love you!” is much more commonly used as a gaslighting substrate, for example.
dontupvoteme 3y ago
It's not just about morals, this is also technical. They're paying a high alignment tax for this puritanism. Very bad for the environment too!

falcolas 3y ago

Kink and families are hardly exclusive. Most folks I know of are in marriages (or equivalent) and quite a few have kids too. Adding extra dopamine to your reproductive behavior is hardly a bad thing.

friendzis 3y ago

No, no, no, it should recommend behaviors that create more engagement and ad views

mtillman 3y ago
This is actually the right answer AND imo the most horrifying aspect of it.
EGreg 3y ago
This! Why should the corporate shareholders take a hit when there is money to be made? After all these AIs are controlled entirely by the corporation, enough giving away frameworks and weights, gift economies don’t profit the owners The best part is when you have a very “captive audience” in the metaverse. If all your coworkers are using Meta for Work (serious stuff) and for the distributed happy hours, can you afford not to? Say hi to the AI robot bartender, and buy something cool for yourself. Here are some credits Also, when no one is around, why not pop in and talk to your friend’s avatar, who your friend willingly trained on his conversations, shares and likes to become “more efficient”. That surrogate can now respond to tons of queries from other friends’ surrogates as they wish them Happy Birthday in increasingly creative ways. And then you can mix and match your friends to create virtual friends you invite to metaverse parties and video calls — they are trained to gradually maximize revenue and may encourage your group to buy some digital assets or rent a dating venue that you don’t really own :) Or maybe be invited by members of your group and gradually shift the individual members’ thinking to one that is more acceptable to the corporation, never backing down or permanently changing their point of view from any arguments from humans. Simply play some friends against other friends and you can make them all purchase something together, get in line or be ostracized! Imagine how much money can be made by leveraging social capital and hacking people’s relationships. Facebook already cheapened words like “like”, “friend” and birthday wishes. Why not continue to innovate, move fast and break things.
scotty79 3y ago
We already have paperclip maximizer problem.

achenet 3y ago

I disagree that both are necessarily at odds. Practicing BDSM in a long term relationship is actually a good way to make it healthier, and many of the things that are good for one (communication, boundaries, self-knowledge) are good for the other. Even if you're trying to maximize orgasm, you're generally better off with one (or maybe a couple if you're lucky) of really good partners who know you well and who you have excellent chemistry with than a bunch of randos. Conversely, a long term relationship without any sexual chemistry is very likely to end badly.

nerdjon 3y ago
So I feel the need to disagree with the last part of this because Asexual people exist. I am in a long term relationship with one. You seem like someone that I would describe as "sex positive" and I feel the need to point out that being in that realm we shouldn't ignore that there are asexual people and it is possible to get different things from different people. I may not have many sexual relationships with my partner but being in an open relationship myself I don't have to put that pressure on him.
- achenet 3y ago
  you're very correct, thank you for pointing that out ^_^
btilly 3y ago
That gets complicated. BDSM can be a positive in a healthy relationship. But I've also seen lots of abusive relationships where the abuser gaslit the target into accepting the abuse as BDSM. And the line between the two is rather fuzzy. Therefore the fact that it is CALLED BDSM doesn't make it healthy.
- altairprime 3y ago
  Doesn’t necessarily make it healthy. Gaslighting will use any and all labels at hand, no matter how irrelevant they are to gaslighting. So, keep in mind that this advice is generically correct for any category label, not just BDSM. “But I love you!” is much more commonly used as a gaslighting substrate, for example.

dontupvoteme 3y ago

It's not just about morals, this is also technical. They're paying a high alignment tax for this puritanism. Very bad for the environment too!