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It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

mhuffman 3y ago
>Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion. Here's a hot take -- I think all the Nobel Prizes, not just the Peace Price are politicized, corrupt, pop-culture-ish, and basically just in-group accolades! Similar to the Academy Awards.
- alexsmarsh 3y ago
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- tshaddox 3y ago
  Wait, are you implying that popular culture is bad? Should we simply not have popular culture?
  - mhuffman 3y ago
    >Wait, are you implying that popular culture is bad? Should we simply not have popular culture? No, but probably not the best way to run science, academics, medicine, long-term civil projects, etc.
    - tshaddox 3y ago
      Well, Nobel Prizes aren't exactly "how we run science, medicine, etc." But perhaps you could argue that chasing Nobel Prizes is a counterproductively strong incentive in those fields (I have no idea if that is the case).
- muniq 3y ago
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- da_chicken 3y ago
  I guess I'm not certain how any accolades could ever be anything but in-group accolades.
  - mhuffman 3y ago
    Well, the police giving a citizen that saved a baby and award for example. Or moviegoers praising a new film. I'm sure you can imagine a few. Whereas Nobel Prizes, Academy Awards, etc. seems to be a lot of self-dealing when they are not trying to get points for doing something that is currently popular in a "fad" sort of way.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  I've never been happier to be out of the in-group than I am on the day I learned Iranian prisons are part of the in-group.
demondemidi 3y ago
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bellown 3y ago
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- AlbertCory 3y ago
  I'm male, and I'm with you. Yes, this IS political, and what's your point? It's a thumb in the eye to one of the worst regimes on the planet. I'm sure this will piss off the mullahs, and what better reason than that? People like her (whom I'd never heard of, sad to say) who put it all on the line to defend human rights -- if that's what the Peace Prize has evolved into, then good.
- the_bookmaker 3y ago
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  - lostlogin 3y ago
    Do you really think this recipient isn’t deserving? I think you’ll find that the peace prize has been political for a very long time. The giving of it to Kissinger is going to be hard to beat.
    - the_bookmaker 3y ago
      > Do you really think this recipient isn’t deserving? Yes. What is the concrete achievement being celebrated here? Especially regarding to doing "the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"? [1] > I think you’ll find that the peace prize has been political for a very long time. > The giving of it to Kissinger is going to be hard to beat. I broadly agree with both of your points here. Perhaps in an ideal word, nobody would have cared about the prize. But at least we can try to shame them for making ridiculous choices. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize
- hef19898 3y ago
  There are subjects were shows that HN is not onpy skewed towards male, but also wealthy, priviledged and mostly white male. With a very healthy dose of SV bubble techbros thrown in the mix. HN still is one of the last places on the internet one can have interesting discussions. Sometimes so, it feels like is changing... (I know this change is a age old HN meme)
LindeBuzoGray 3y ago
> Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through Iran had a parliament in 1953, when the US and UK launched operation Ajax after the prime Minister nationalized Iran's oil. The prime Minister was ousted, a dictator replaced him - who returned to Iran on a flight with Allen Dulles. The conservative mullahs were western allies in removing power from the parliament. Then this structure the west put into place fell out of alignment with the west in 1979, and we suddenly hear an enormous amount of stated sympathy about "women trapped in these regimes". Sympathy that we didn't hear when the CIA was handing SAVAK lists of progressive, secular women to arrest or kill. It's farcical.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  Ok? Where's this going? We're not supposed to care now because the CIA did some shady stuff a million years ago?
  - potatototoo99 3y ago
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    - antihezbol 3y ago
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    - catlover76 3y ago
      > It is obvious there is much more attention and criticism on Iran than other regimes you are not supposed to care, and you don't even need to look very far. Everyone always acts like it's some kind of conspiracy that their most-hated governments don't get sufficient criticism or that their favorite governments get more than a fair share of criticism.
      - thriftwy 3y ago
        Why do you assume it isn't a conspiracy? It is. It is absolutely a conspiracy. WSJ, NYT or Guardian know which words are allowed for Iran and which are for Saudis.
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2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
If you praise her for her bravery it makes Iran look bad which implicitly makes the West look good and we cannot have that kind of thing around here.
the_bookmaker 3y ago
> It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Nice can also mean silly and ignorant, as any well-aged dictionary would tell you. [0] We are reflecting, on the corruption and politicization of our institutions. > Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Essentially the same Bush-era "plight of the Afghan women" kind of appeal to emotion to justify corruption, interventionism, and war [1]. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't really know much about the political situation in Iran. Mohammadi belongs to a political faction called the Reformists [2], which is filled with regime apologists and charlatans. More specifically, she belongs to a particular branch which is sometimes called Neo-Shariatism [3]. Shariati himself was the "ideologue of the Islamic Revolution" [4], and a full-fledged charlatan who used to falsely claim to have a PhD in sociology from Sorbonne [5]. Mohammadi is currently a political prisoner, but that obviously isn't something which merits a Peace Prize. I'm sure that there isn't a shortage of political prisoners in the Islamic Republic. [0]: https://www.websters1913.com/words/Nice https://www.websters1913.com/words/Nice [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attack https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attack... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Reformists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Reformists [3]: https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/6b552565-6ff8-45a0-a0eb-9d84779db9ec/view/f22a648d-1faf-4f2e-8d71-f0525e09a66e/Pourmokhtari_Navid_201803_PhD.pdf https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/6b552565-6ff8-45a0-a0e... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati [5]: http://www.shariati.com/bio.html http://www.shariati.com/bio.html (Compare this with the Wikipedia article, which says he got a PhD in Persian. Even that is dubious.)
- catlover76 3y ago
  Almost everything you said is basically irrelevant to the point put forth by the person to whom you are replying.
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mhuffman 3y ago

>Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion. Here's a hot take -- I think all the Nobel Prizes, not just the Peace Price are politicized, corrupt, pop-culture-ish, and basically just in-group accolades! Similar to the Academy Awards.

alexsmarsh 3y ago
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tshaddox 3y ago
Wait, are you implying that popular culture is bad? Should we simply not have popular culture?
- mhuffman 3y ago
  >Wait, are you implying that popular culture is bad? Should we simply not have popular culture? No, but probably not the best way to run science, academics, medicine, long-term civil projects, etc.
  - tshaddox 3y ago
    Well, Nobel Prizes aren't exactly "how we run science, medicine, etc." But perhaps you could argue that chasing Nobel Prizes is a counterproductively strong incentive in those fields (I have no idea if that is the case).
muniq 3y ago
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da_chicken 3y ago
I guess I'm not certain how any accolades could ever be anything but in-group accolades.
- mhuffman 3y ago
  Well, the police giving a citizen that saved a baby and award for example. Or moviegoers praising a new film. I'm sure you can imagine a few. Whereas Nobel Prizes, Academy Awards, etc. seems to be a lot of self-dealing when they are not trying to get points for doing something that is currently popular in a "fad" sort of way.
Tao3300 3y ago
I've never been happier to be out of the in-group than I am on the day I learned Iranian prisons are part of the in-group.

demondemidi 3y ago

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bellown 3y ago

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AlbertCory 3y ago
I'm male, and I'm with you. Yes, this IS political, and what's your point? It's a thumb in the eye to one of the worst regimes on the planet. I'm sure this will piss off the mullahs, and what better reason than that? People like her (whom I'd never heard of, sad to say) who put it all on the line to defend human rights -- if that's what the Peace Prize has evolved into, then good.
the_bookmaker 3y ago
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- lostlogin 3y ago
  Do you really think this recipient isn’t deserving? I think you’ll find that the peace prize has been political for a very long time. The giving of it to Kissinger is going to be hard to beat.
  - the_bookmaker 3y ago
    > Do you really think this recipient isn’t deserving? Yes. What is the concrete achievement being celebrated here? Especially regarding to doing "the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"? [1] > I think you’ll find that the peace prize has been political for a very long time. > The giving of it to Kissinger is going to be hard to beat. I broadly agree with both of your points here. Perhaps in an ideal word, nobody would have cared about the prize. But at least we can try to shame them for making ridiculous choices. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize
hef19898 3y ago
There are subjects were shows that HN is not onpy skewed towards male, but also wealthy, priviledged and mostly white male. With a very healthy dose of SV bubble techbros thrown in the mix. HN still is one of the last places on the internet one can have interesting discussions. Sometimes so, it feels like is changing... (I know this change is a age old HN meme)

LindeBuzoGray 3y ago

> Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through Iran had a parliament in 1953, when the US and UK launched operation Ajax after the prime Minister nationalized Iran's oil. The prime Minister was ousted, a dictator replaced him - who returned to Iran on a flight with Allen Dulles. The conservative mullahs were western allies in removing power from the parliament. Then this structure the west put into place fell out of alignment with the west in 1979, and we suddenly hear an enormous amount of stated sympathy about "women trapped in these regimes". Sympathy that we didn't hear when the CIA was handing SAVAK lists of progressive, secular women to arrest or kill. It's farcical.

Tao3300 3y ago
Ok? Where's this going? We're not supposed to care now because the CIA did some shady stuff a million years ago?
- potatototoo99 3y ago
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  - antihezbol 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - catlover76 3y ago
    > It is obvious there is much more attention and criticism on Iran than other regimes you are not supposed to care, and you don't even need to look very far. Everyone always acts like it's some kind of conspiracy that their most-hated governments don't get sufficient criticism or that their favorite governments get more than a fair share of criticism.
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      Why do you assume it isn't a conspiracy? It is. It is absolutely a conspiracy. WSJ, NYT or Guardian know which words are allowed for Iran and which are for Saudis.

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2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

If you praise her for her bravery it makes Iran look bad which implicitly makes the West look good and we cannot have that kind of thing around here.

the_bookmaker 3y ago

> It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Nice can also mean silly and ignorant, as any well-aged dictionary would tell you. [0] We are reflecting, on the corruption and politicization of our institutions. > Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Essentially the same Bush-era "plight of the Afghan women" kind of appeal to emotion to justify corruption, interventionism, and war [1]. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't really know much about the political situation in Iran. Mohammadi belongs to a political faction called the Reformists [2], which is filled with regime apologists and charlatans. More specifically, she belongs to a particular branch which is sometimes called Neo-Shariatism [3]. Shariati himself was the "ideologue of the Islamic Revolution" [4], and a full-fledged charlatan who used to falsely claim to have a PhD in sociology from Sorbonne [5]. Mohammadi is currently a political prisoner, but that obviously isn't something which merits a Peace Prize. I'm sure that there isn't a shortage of political prisoners in the Islamic Republic. [0]: https://www.websters1913.com/words/Nice https://www.websters1913.com/words/Nice [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attack https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attack... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Reformists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Reformists [3]: https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/6b552565-6ff8-45a0-a0eb-9d84779db9ec/view/f22a648d-1faf-4f2e-8d71-f0525e09a66e/Pourmokhtari_Navid_201803_PhD.pdf https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/6b552565-6ff8-45a0-a0e... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati [5]: http://www.shariati.com/bio.html http://www.shariati.com/bio.html (Compare this with the Wikipedia article, which says he got a PhD in Persian. Even that is dubious.)

catlover76 3y ago
Almost everything you said is basically irrelevant to the point put forth by the person to whom you are replying.

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