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To be fair, Mandela did not get it while imprisoned and while the US and the UK were tacit supporters of the Apartheid regime. And Maria Ressa seems anti-Duter
by imjonse 3y ago
To be fair, Mandela did not get it while imprisoned and while the US and the UK were tacit supporters of the Apartheid regime.
And Maria Ressa seems anti-Duterte, and pro-US if I read correctly.
- LindeBuzoGray 3y agoRight, Mandela got it when he was being conciliatory to the government and its Western support, with other ANC elements being less so. The same with Arafat - he was conciliatory to Israel and its western support at Oslo, with Hamas and the PFLP being less so. Both were not fighting when.they got the prize, but being conciliatory.
- fauigerzigerk 3y agoI don't agree that Arafat was fighting any less than Narges Mohammadi when he got the Nobel Peace Prize. He didn't get the prize for surrendering (neither did Mandela but he got the prize after he had already won).
- fauigerzigerk 3y ago>Mandela did not get it while imprisoned and while the US and the UK were tacit supporters of the Apartheid regime True >Maria Ressa seems anti-Duterte, and pro-US if I read correctly Duterte is/was a Trump style figure in a country that houses U.S military bases. If Pakistan counts then the Philippines must count as well.
- imjonse 3y agoI mean the Philippines is traditionally a US ally, but Duterte both openly criticised the US and tried to get closer to China. And Maria Ressa is definitely not an anti-US or anti-Western activist.
- fauigerzigerk 3y ago>but Duterte both openly criticised the US and tried to get closer to China Yes he did for a moment before completely reversing course. https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/11/dutertes-dalliance-with-china-is-over.html https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/11/dutertes-dalliance-with-ch... Pakistan's various leaders on the other hand have criticised the U.S far more harshly and far more persistently over the years. They have also had close relations with China for decades.
- imjonse 3y agoThere are no peace Nobel prizes for such Pakistanis though. Malala got it for figthing for education of young girls. Although I no longer remember how Pakistan got into the discussion and if we're arguing or agreeing :)
- dragonwriter 3y ago> To be fair, Mandela did not get it while imprisoned and while the US and the UK were tacit supporters of the Apartheid regime. To be even more fair, Mandela wasn’t the first anti-apartheid Nobel Peace Prize award, and Albert John Lutuli (awarded 1960) and Archbishop Tutu (awarded 1984) got it for fighting apartheid when the US and UK were tacit (active, of the regime if not the apartheid policy specifically, in 1960) supporters of the apartheid regime (Reagan’s reversal on his “constructive engagement” approach came inmediately after Archbishop Tutu's address to Congress and subsequent meeting with the President after the award.. And Dr. King (awarded 1964) got it for his opposition to the parallel policy in America.
- imjonse 3y agoYou are right. Although those recipients were clearly in favor of non-violent fighting for human rights and were not explicitly anti-western or anti-US (the definitions of non-recipients this subthread started with) When Dr King began opposing the Vietnam war instead of simply fighting for equal rights at home he became a larger menace.
- fauigerzigerk 3y agoThe definition of non-recipients was never tied to violence. The examples given were Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning, all peaceful activists or journalists.
- imjonse 3y agoMedia made sure these three were tied to violence.