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i think the pandemic is really over, it is endemic. I wonder when we will get back to baseline or whether we will have to live with deadlier virus than what's u

i think the pandemic is really over, it is endemic. I wonder when we will get back to baseline or whether we will have to live with deadlier virus than what's usual for some time. Just keep in mind that the flu isn't as harmless as it's usually portrait. Older or otherwise more vulnerable parts of the population died every year, with some really bad years. It's in some way part of life, a risk is always present. But looking at the statistics in your link it is not that obvious, as it looks like the excess mortality slowly converges to zero.

kuschku 3y ago
Considering covid safety measures also help avoid the flu, the common cold, Norovirus and RSV, it'd be wise if we as society found a way to keep them up even if COVID becomes endemic. Especially considering how with every previous congress the congress flu had infected the vast majority of participants and caused them to be bedridden for the 1-2 weeks after.
- mozman 3y ago
  It’s the new normal, the virus is here to stay. I’ve already had it like most people and I don’t think it’s a bad thing to give my immune system practice.
  - kuschku 3y ago
    I got covid in november of 2022. I've had massive problems with my blood pressure and pulse and have been unable to smell ever since. "Giving the immune system practice" doesn't apply to covid. Every single covid infection makes the immune system weaker. Your suggestion is akin to saying condoms are unnecessary, everyone should just get HIV and we should just accept the new normal. There's no easy way out of this pandemic, just like there was no easy way out of the HIV pandemic.
    - mozman 3y ago
      As others have stated the pandemic is over and it’s now an endemic. Everyone’s health situation is different, but I think comparing this to HIV is a bit of a stretch. I do wish everyone has the choice to decide what works for themselves. In my case, I do just that and I don’t subject myself to anything I don’t want.
- NavinF 3y ago
  Source on "vast majority"? Maybe CCC is the exception, but getting sick after going to a conference is definitely not the norm. I'd guess prevalence is ~1% based on my anecdotal evidence knowing people who attend conferences every month. Being bedridden for 1-2 weeks after getting the flu is also very uncommon since the fever lasts 3-4 days on average. Here's a graph of viral load over a typical 5.5 day infection: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/cms/asset/3a62f972-1633-4e46-adc8-689764b26055/rsif20160289f02.jpg https://royalsocietypublishing.org/cms/asset/3a62f972-1633-4...
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > Maybe CCC is the exception, but getting sick after going to a conference is definitely not the norm. It's very common if you have a high number of international participants. In Munich, the most nasty occurrence has its own name: "Wiesngrippe", named after the Oktoberfest which serves as a living petri dish with millions of people, but it's also common after the huge trade fairs (e.g. Bauma). Service staff are hit hardest because many of them don't take off days if they're sick - they power through for as long as they can (because they can make above 15.000€ in the two weeks!) and end up spreading all the germs around. In addition to that, SARS-CoV-2 is suspected to be able to induce immune amnesia similar to what can be observed after measles - anecdotally, I've been incredibly sensitive towards anything from the common cold to outright influenza ever since I caught COVID last year. It's no fun to travel anywhere when you know you'll catch some bug because yet another moron decided to not at least wear a mask or stay home when sick. [1] https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/muenchen/das-verdient-eine-wiesn-bedienung-15000-euro-sind-drin-art-126611 https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/muenchen/das-verdient-e...

kuschku 3y ago

Considering covid safety measures also help avoid the flu, the common cold, Norovirus and RSV, it'd be wise if we as society found a way to keep them up even if COVID becomes endemic. Especially considering how with every previous congress the congress flu had infected the vast majority of participants and caused them to be bedridden for the 1-2 weeks after.

mozman 3y ago
It’s the new normal, the virus is here to stay. I’ve already had it like most people and I don’t think it’s a bad thing to give my immune system practice.
- kuschku 3y ago
  I got covid in november of 2022. I've had massive problems with my blood pressure and pulse and have been unable to smell ever since. "Giving the immune system practice" doesn't apply to covid. Every single covid infection makes the immune system weaker. Your suggestion is akin to saying condoms are unnecessary, everyone should just get HIV and we should just accept the new normal. There's no easy way out of this pandemic, just like there was no easy way out of the HIV pandemic.
  - mozman 3y ago
    As others have stated the pandemic is over and it’s now an endemic. Everyone’s health situation is different, but I think comparing this to HIV is a bit of a stretch. I do wish everyone has the choice to decide what works for themselves. In my case, I do just that and I don’t subject myself to anything I don’t want.
NavinF 3y ago
Source on "vast majority"? Maybe CCC is the exception, but getting sick after going to a conference is definitely not the norm. I'd guess prevalence is ~1% based on my anecdotal evidence knowing people who attend conferences every month. Being bedridden for 1-2 weeks after getting the flu is also very uncommon since the fever lasts 3-4 days on average. Here's a graph of viral load over a typical 5.5 day infection: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/cms/asset/3a62f972-1633-4e46-adc8-689764b26055/rsif20160289f02.jpg https://royalsocietypublishing.org/cms/asset/3a62f972-1633-4...
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Maybe CCC is the exception, but getting sick after going to a conference is definitely not the norm. It's very common if you have a high number of international participants. In Munich, the most nasty occurrence has its own name: "Wiesngrippe", named after the Oktoberfest which serves as a living petri dish with millions of people, but it's also common after the huge trade fairs (e.g. Bauma). Service staff are hit hardest because many of them don't take off days if they're sick - they power through for as long as they can (because they can make above 15.000€ in the two weeks!) and end up spreading all the germs around. In addition to that, SARS-CoV-2 is suspected to be able to induce immune amnesia similar to what can be observed after measles - anecdotally, I've been incredibly sensitive towards anything from the common cold to outright influenza ever since I caught COVID last year. It's no fun to travel anywhere when you know you'll catch some bug because yet another moron decided to not at least wear a mask or stay home when sick. [1] https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/muenchen/das-verdient-eine-wiesn-bedienung-15000-euro-sind-drin-art-126611 https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/muenchen/das-verdient-e...