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"Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democra

"Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world. In the 21st century the Nobel Committee has embraced efforts to limit the harm done by man-made climate change and threats to the environment as relevant to the Peace Prize." [0] Narges is one of the most inspiring women in confronting the inhumane regime of the Islamic Republic, which never stops committing crimes. A regime that sent a 16-year-old girl into a coma just a few days ago because of her hijab [1]. Narges spent most of her life in the most dangerous prisons in Iran for her activities, and I think this award was not only for her, but also for the all oppressed women in Iran in the last four decades. [0] https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/nobel-peace-prize/about-the-nobel-peace-prize/ https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/nobel-peace-prize/about-the-... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/03/iran-activists-say-16-year-old-girl-hospitalised-by-police-over-hijab-rules https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/03/iran-activists...

ReptileMan 3y ago
But the world is just as peaceful (or peaceless) as before her activism. Now if she actually overthrew or forced the government to reform - it would be different. But award should be given for results not efforts.
- nicce 3y ago
  Results are important because many are giving a lot of effort or even more than her but just haven't got the publicity. Publicity can lead to results but can it be measured in this case?
- no-reply 3y ago
  On the basis of effort, we could probably hand out awards to a large number of dead people
  - bannedbybros 3y ago
    Why make the award reasonable when it can be a feel-good self-congratulatory propaganda fest?
- screye 3y ago
  It does feel more like the 'Western moral prize' rather than a Peace Prize. Truth is, the most peaceful transitions are usually military coups. 'Peacefully' won transitions are often the bloodiest. Fear is a terrible thing, but it does lead to effective peace. With the Nobel Peace Prize, it's usually a coin toss between moral martyr, future genocider and someone who did impactful work towards peace. The best example of their schizo-ness is Gandhi. They didn't award Gandhi when he lead a peaceful resistance. But, awarded it posthumously in the aftermath of the bloodiest & nastiest population exchange in the history of humanity.
  - RegnisGnaw 3y ago
    There is always the Confucius Peace Prize for those that want a 'Eastern moral prize'.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    Not all peaces are equal. One peace might be that of some idyllic utopia where all are content, healthy, and safe. Then there is the peace of the death camp which has completed its mission and has no victims left to murder. And countless peaces in between those two extremes, some better and less violent, some gruesome and traumatizing even just to describe. I cannot say which peace the Nobel awards, or even if it awards to the same sort of peace year to year. But if anyone can do something about the Iranian government, then maybe they do deserve the thing. I doubt he ever meant it to become the "successful eternal subjugation of humanity" award.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    > It does feel more like the 'Western moral prize' rather than a Peace Prize. I'm not seeing the problem here. Some non-Western regimes seem to think it's fine to deny people their human rights, e.g. Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, China. There is no moral equivalence between Western and those.
    - screye 3y ago
      2/4 of those were in better conditions before the US invaded them for oil interests. Venezuela's bloodiness is in part because of CIA funded violent opposition. Venezuela while a basket case now, is still a "what if" in a world without CIA interreference and unilateral sanctions. China is odd. It is an autocratic repressive regime with their recent founder having the 2nd highest body count of any leader. But, it is also the most impressive story of raising an slice of humanity from poverty into a strong middle economy. Western countries think about peace & human rights in isolation. What recent democratic nation has managed to elevate itself from abject poverty to being a strong middle economy, with no natural resources ride to infinity. India might have something to show over the next 30 years, but as of today, they started off richer than China at independence and find themselves miles behind. All of Singapore, Taiwan, Korea, Thailand & Japan had their growth occur under incredibly repressive govts. They might seem peaceful countries today, they certainly weren't that during their growth. > moral equivalence Moral equivalence can only exist when all other variables are the same. Norway might claim moral high ground on account of being an egalitarian nation, but its entire economy is oil. Remove the oil, and you might see their claimed unwavering morals waver.
csomar 3y ago
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- michaeltimo 3y ago
  The propaganda of this barbaric Iranian regime is active everywhere, but the truth cannot be covered with words like the "Western Media", so try other things. This is also not the first time that the child-killing and anti-women regime of Iran commits such crimes. About a year ago, Mehsa Amini was killed by police forces for the same crime of insufficient hijab. In the revolutionary demonstrations after that, about 500 more people were killed, among them Nika Shakarami [1] by the "impact of a hard object" and 9-year-old Kian Pirfalak [2] by the shootings by the security forces. Other examples of innocent people killed can be found in the links in these wikipedia pages. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nika_Shakarami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nika_Shakarami [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kian_Pirfalak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kian_Pirfalak
- darkoob12 3y ago
  The footage is edited and the key seconds are taken out. There were dozens of witnesses and what you are doing is called whataboutism.
- hollander 3y ago
  The Nobel peace prize is not about who has the worst life. Women in Afghanistan have it - in general - worse than in Iran, I'm quite sure about that. That's not the criterium to get this prize. This is whataboutism, nothing less, and your fake-news remark makes me wonder your motivation even more.
Luctct 3y ago
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- foogazi 3y ago
  Wow, how did you come up with that Venn diagram? The people that hate the Iranian regime AND hate America AND admire Barack Obama ? Must be a small club
  - vxNsr 3y ago
    Not quite, the GP is pointing out that it's become in vogue as of late to express hate for the USA among leftist circles, those people will post the raised fist or w/e appropriate color to the SM profiles and do little else, but they all do express admiration for 44.
Luctct 3y ago
The people who call out the "inhumane regime" of Iran are usually exactly the same ones who openly hate America (where women can do whatever the hell they want) and display sky high levels of admiration for Barack Obama, who gave a metric ton of American taxpayer money to Iran. I am posting this again because my first post has been shadow banned.

ReptileMan 3y ago

But the world is just as peaceful (or peaceless) as before her activism. Now if she actually overthrew or forced the government to reform - it would be different. But award should be given for results not efforts.

nicce 3y ago
Results are important because many are giving a lot of effort or even more than her but just haven't got the publicity. Publicity can lead to results but can it be measured in this case?
no-reply 3y ago
On the basis of effort, we could probably hand out awards to a large number of dead people
- bannedbybros 3y ago
  Why make the award reasonable when it can be a feel-good self-congratulatory propaganda fest?
screye 3y ago
It does feel more like the 'Western moral prize' rather than a Peace Prize. Truth is, the most peaceful transitions are usually military coups. 'Peacefully' won transitions are often the bloodiest. Fear is a terrible thing, but it does lead to effective peace. With the Nobel Peace Prize, it's usually a coin toss between moral martyr, future genocider and someone who did impactful work towards peace. The best example of their schizo-ness is Gandhi. They didn't award Gandhi when he lead a peaceful resistance. But, awarded it posthumously in the aftermath of the bloodiest & nastiest population exchange in the history of humanity.
- RegnisGnaw 3y ago
  There is always the Confucius Peace Prize for those that want a 'Eastern moral prize'.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Not all peaces are equal. One peace might be that of some idyllic utopia where all are content, healthy, and safe. Then there is the peace of the death camp which has completed its mission and has no victims left to murder. And countless peaces in between those two extremes, some better and less violent, some gruesome and traumatizing even just to describe. I cannot say which peace the Nobel awards, or even if it awards to the same sort of peace year to year. But if anyone can do something about the Iranian government, then maybe they do deserve the thing. I doubt he ever meant it to become the "successful eternal subjugation of humanity" award.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  > It does feel more like the 'Western moral prize' rather than a Peace Prize. I'm not seeing the problem here. Some non-Western regimes seem to think it's fine to deny people their human rights, e.g. Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, China. There is no moral equivalence between Western and those.
  - screye 3y ago
    2/4 of those were in better conditions before the US invaded them for oil interests. Venezuela's bloodiness is in part because of CIA funded violent opposition. Venezuela while a basket case now, is still a "what if" in a world without CIA interreference and unilateral sanctions. China is odd. It is an autocratic repressive regime with their recent founder having the 2nd highest body count of any leader. But, it is also the most impressive story of raising an slice of humanity from poverty into a strong middle economy. Western countries think about peace & human rights in isolation. What recent democratic nation has managed to elevate itself from abject poverty to being a strong middle economy, with no natural resources ride to infinity. India might have something to show over the next 30 years, but as of today, they started off richer than China at independence and find themselves miles behind. All of Singapore, Taiwan, Korea, Thailand & Japan had their growth occur under incredibly repressive govts. They might seem peaceful countries today, they certainly weren't that during their growth. > moral equivalence Moral equivalence can only exist when all other variables are the same. Norway might claim moral high ground on account of being an egalitarian nation, but its entire economy is oil. Remove the oil, and you might see their claimed unwavering morals waver.

csomar 3y ago

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michaeltimo 3y ago
The propaganda of this barbaric Iranian regime is active everywhere, but the truth cannot be covered with words like the "Western Media", so try other things. This is also not the first time that the child-killing and anti-women regime of Iran commits such crimes. About a year ago, Mehsa Amini was killed by police forces for the same crime of insufficient hijab. In the revolutionary demonstrations after that, about 500 more people were killed, among them Nika Shakarami [1] by the "impact of a hard object" and 9-year-old Kian Pirfalak [2] by the shootings by the security forces. Other examples of innocent people killed can be found in the links in these wikipedia pages. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nika_Shakarami https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nika_Shakarami [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kian_Pirfalak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kian_Pirfalak
darkoob12 3y ago
The footage is edited and the key seconds are taken out. There were dozens of witnesses and what you are doing is called whataboutism.
hollander 3y ago
The Nobel peace prize is not about who has the worst life. Women in Afghanistan have it - in general - worse than in Iran, I'm quite sure about that. That's not the criterium to get this prize. This is whataboutism, nothing less, and your fake-news remark makes me wonder your motivation even more.

Luctct 3y ago

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foogazi 3y ago
Wow, how did you come up with that Venn diagram? The people that hate the Iranian regime AND hate America AND admire Barack Obama ? Must be a small club
- vxNsr 3y ago
  Not quite, the GP is pointing out that it's become in vogue as of late to express hate for the USA among leftist circles, those people will post the raised fist or w/e appropriate color to the SM profiles and do little else, but they all do express admiration for 44.

Luctct 3y ago

The people who call out the "inhumane regime" of Iran are usually exactly the same ones who openly hate America (where women can do whatever the hell they want) and display sky high levels of admiration for Barack Obama, who gave a metric ton of American taxpayer money to Iran. I am posting this again because my first post has been shadow banned.