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> Many CCC spaces currently require proof of vaccination, daily testing and rigorous masking, Crazy to see those types of measures still in place as we’re more

> Many CCC spaces currently require proof of vaccination, daily testing and rigorous masking, Crazy to see those types of measures still in place as we’re more than half-way through 2023. That’s a good way to self-select their members, I guess.

kuschku 3y ago
Well, society ignored the problem of infection through aerosols far too long. Now at least some care is taken, and some spaces bought and configured large air filter systems to allow unmasking without infection risk. You don't want a ransomware infected, malware spreading windows 95 PC in your intranet either unless it's heavily firewalled.
- mr_mitm 3y ago
  > Now at least some care is taken, and some spaces bought and configured large air filter systems to allow unmasking without infection risk. You mean reduced infection risk. It's impossible to eliminate completely. And my gut feeling tells me that most people overestimate the amount of risk reduction caused by these air filters.
mschuster91 3y ago
> Crazy to see those types of measures still in place as we’re more than half-way through 2023. Just because politicians have "declared" the pandemic over, it is by far not over yet - we are still seeing significant excess mortality [1], and across Germany many companies are complaining about significant amounts of people on sick leave, most noticeably in public transit. Guess where that comes from... it's a lot of Covid. SARS-CoV-2 is an incredibly dangerous virus and way too many people aren't even doing air purifiers any more because these are "too expensive to run" and whatnot. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20230714-2 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d...
- LeanderK 3y ago
  i think the pandemic is really over, it is endemic. I wonder when we will get back to baseline or whether we will have to live with deadlier virus than what's usual for some time. Just keep in mind that the flu isn't as harmless as it's usually portrait. Older or otherwise more vulnerable parts of the population died every year, with some really bad years. It's in some way part of life, a risk is always present. But looking at the statistics in your link it is not that obvious, as it looks like the excess mortality slowly converges to zero.
  - kuschku 3y ago
    Considering covid safety measures also help avoid the flu, the common cold, Norovirus and RSV, it'd be wise if we as society found a way to keep them up even if COVID becomes endemic. Especially considering how with every previous congress the congress flu had infected the vast majority of participants and caused them to be bedridden for the 1-2 weeks after.
    - mozman 3y ago
      It’s the new normal, the virus is here to stay. I’ve already had it like most people and I don’t think it’s a bad thing to give my immune system practice.
      - kuschku 3y ago
        I got covid in november of 2022. I've had massive problems with my blood pressure and pulse and have been unable to smell ever since. "Giving the immune system practice" doesn't apply to covid. Every single covid infection makes the immune system weaker. Your suggestion is akin to saying condoms are unnecessary, everyone should just get HIV and we should just accept the new normal. There's no easy way out of this pandemic, just like there was no easy way out of the HIV pandemic.
        mozman 3y ago
        As others have stated the pandemic is over and it’s now an endemic. Everyone’s health situation is different, but I think comparing this to HIV is a bit of a stretch. I do wish everyone has the choice to decide what works for themselves. In my case, I do just that and I don’t subject myself to anything I don’t want.

kuschku 3y ago

Well, society ignored the problem of infection through aerosols far too long. Now at least some care is taken, and some spaces bought and configured large air filter systems to allow unmasking without infection risk. You don't want a ransomware infected, malware spreading windows 95 PC in your intranet either unless it's heavily firewalled.

mr_mitm 3y ago
> Now at least some care is taken, and some spaces bought and configured large air filter systems to allow unmasking without infection risk. You mean reduced infection risk. It's impossible to eliminate completely. And my gut feeling tells me that most people overestimate the amount of risk reduction caused by these air filters.

mschuster91 3y ago

> Crazy to see those types of measures still in place as we’re more than half-way through 2023. Just because politicians have "declared" the pandemic over, it is by far not over yet - we are still seeing significant excess mortality [1], and across Germany many companies are complaining about significant amounts of people on sick leave, most noticeably in public transit. Guess where that comes from... it's a lot of Covid. SARS-CoV-2 is an incredibly dangerous virus and way too many people aren't even doing air purifiers any more because these are "too expensive to run" and whatnot. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20230714-2 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/d...

LeanderK 3y ago
i think the pandemic is really over, it is endemic. I wonder when we will get back to baseline or whether we will have to live with deadlier virus than what's usual for some time. Just keep in mind that the flu isn't as harmless as it's usually portrait. Older or otherwise more vulnerable parts of the population died every year, with some really bad years. It's in some way part of life, a risk is always present. But looking at the statistics in your link it is not that obvious, as it looks like the excess mortality slowly converges to zero.
- kuschku 3y ago
  Considering covid safety measures also help avoid the flu, the common cold, Norovirus and RSV, it'd be wise if we as society found a way to keep them up even if COVID becomes endemic. Especially considering how with every previous congress the congress flu had infected the vast majority of participants and caused them to be bedridden for the 1-2 weeks after.
  - mozman 3y ago
    It’s the new normal, the virus is here to stay. I’ve already had it like most people and I don’t think it’s a bad thing to give my immune system practice.
    - kuschku 3y ago
      I got covid in november of 2022. I've had massive problems with my blood pressure and pulse and have been unable to smell ever since. "Giving the immune system practice" doesn't apply to covid. Every single covid infection makes the immune system weaker. Your suggestion is akin to saying condoms are unnecessary, everyone should just get HIV and we should just accept the new normal. There's no easy way out of this pandemic, just like there was no easy way out of the HIV pandemic.
      - mozman 3y ago
        As others have stated the pandemic is over and it’s now an endemic. Everyone’s health situation is different, but I think comparing this to HIV is a bit of a stretch. I do wish everyone has the choice to decide what works for themselves. In my case, I do just that and I don’t subject myself to anything I don’t want.