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There were recursive tickets issued to clubs and friendly organisations (hackerspaces). If you're a member of one, getting a ticket is relatively easy.

dagw 3y ago
Is there a list of these clubs and organisations, and are they only in Germany?
- Tomte 3y ago
  Erfakreise ("Erfahrungsaustauschkreis" — experience sharing circle) are official sub-organisations. They are listed under https://www.ccc.de/de/club/erfas https://www.ccc.de/de/club/erfas Chaostreffs (chaos meetings) are loosely coupled to the club and listed here: https://www.ccc.de/de/club/chaostreffs https://www.ccc.de/de/club/chaostreffs
- entropyie 3y ago
  I got a recursive ticket in Ireland in 2019... check with your local hackerspace or security meetup.
- throw_a_grenade 3y ago
  1) Not to my knowledge. Maybe CCCeV has full list somewhere private, but the public announcement said something similar to "we'll reserve a pool of tickets for members of CCC and other orgas". It was given to friends of friends, who were known as leaders of local hackerspaces. Also this recursive coupon didn't say to whom it was given, it just replicated on registration to an email address. 2) I'm certain they were given outside of Germany, I got one in Poland. As sibling said, ask in your local hackerspace, they either know or should know someone who knows. (If you don't have local hackerspace, gather people, organise your hackerspace, and write to 37c3 angels that you have new hackerspace and want to attend c3 to exchange ideas. First time you probably won't get recursive ticket, but a pool of single-use coupons).
- yuvadam 3y ago
  If you represent your local hackerspace you can ask for an allocation and probably get at least a single 24-hour-rolling ticket.
- neiman 3y ago
  I got one from a hackerspace outside Germany.
albertzeyer 3y ago
Yes, that's how I got it last time. But I want to invite some friends as well, and I want that some outsiders also have the chance to come, so that it's more diverse.
- throw_a_grenade 3y ago
  Dunno about your HS, but mine agreed that I cycle the coupon 2 times, because I wanted to go with my wife (then fiancee).
  - Aachen 3y ago
    Sure, but there is a limit. I had a whole queue of (techy/hacker) friends that wanted to go (and had gone previous years, so they know what it's like, some of them I met there, they aren't just random people), but the hackerspace has such a queue times a hundred members. They can't give it to everyone, and I don't quite get why not just everyone gets equal chances in the open sale. Having core contributors, angels, (previous) speakers, yeah sure. But the people at a random space? Doesn't seem very specific
    - throw_a_grenade 3y ago
      These are not "random" spaces, those are hackerspaces, and the event is for hackers and for building communities, so it's no surprise that the tickets are distributed to known hackers, those that are members of communities. Why not "equal chances": because the tickets would be gone in 0,01s after opening sale, to bots operated by scalpers, and would be available in secondary circulation to highest bidders, not to real hackers. BTW DEFCON morphed from hacker-oriented to money-oriented, with predictable result. It's my understanding that CCCV wants to avoid this exact result, and instead operates a hybrid system that leaves some tickets to open sale, and reserves some tickets for members of their own Verein and friends (and friends of friends, etc.).
      - Aachen 3y ago
        > because the tickets would be gone in 0,01s after opening sale Yes, that's why you connect at the right time and it's essentially a lottery system. They announce when it will be and there is a unique captcha ("press the red dot") for each sale before you make it into the queue so you can't script it. They even restarted one time after a captcha was broken in some browsers. I've done this many times in past years and it worked fine. Friends and I seem to get mostly random positions in the queue. > These are not "random" spaces, those are hackerspaces, Yeah that's what people refer to the space as, if you're both familiar with them. Was indeed wondering if I needed to write it out again when having used the word hackerspace already earlier in my comment, but figured this would signal in-group more. Apparently not. > the tickets are distributed to known hackers, those that are members of communities. That was my point actually. The people I see at hacker spaces aren't more hackery than those that aren't involved with a particular space. Many of the people that meet there regularly just come there to chat with friends rather than using things in ways they weren't meant to be used. It's a very broad audience, quite random, and generally one that is in favour of everyone having equal chances
BasedCountie 3y ago
And if not, you're excluded. I mean, maybe that's a good thing, but certainly not what makes me interested in CCC at all.

dagw 3y ago

Is there a list of these clubs and organisations, and are they only in Germany?

Tomte 3y ago
Erfakreise ("Erfahrungsaustauschkreis" — experience sharing circle) are official sub-organisations. They are listed under https://www.ccc.de/de/club/erfas https://www.ccc.de/de/club/erfas Chaostreffs (chaos meetings) are loosely coupled to the club and listed here: https://www.ccc.de/de/club/chaostreffs https://www.ccc.de/de/club/chaostreffs
entropyie 3y ago
I got a recursive ticket in Ireland in 2019... check with your local hackerspace or security meetup.
throw_a_grenade 3y ago
1) Not to my knowledge. Maybe CCCeV has full list somewhere private, but the public announcement said something similar to "we'll reserve a pool of tickets for members of CCC and other orgas". It was given to friends of friends, who were known as leaders of local hackerspaces. Also this recursive coupon didn't say to whom it was given, it just replicated on registration to an email address. 2) I'm certain they were given outside of Germany, I got one in Poland. As sibling said, ask in your local hackerspace, they either know or should know someone who knows. (If you don't have local hackerspace, gather people, organise your hackerspace, and write to 37c3 angels that you have new hackerspace and want to attend c3 to exchange ideas. First time you probably won't get recursive ticket, but a pool of single-use coupons).
yuvadam 3y ago
If you represent your local hackerspace you can ask for an allocation and probably get at least a single 24-hour-rolling ticket.
neiman 3y ago
I got one from a hackerspace outside Germany.

albertzeyer 3y ago

Yes, that's how I got it last time. But I want to invite some friends as well, and I want that some outsiders also have the chance to come, so that it's more diverse.

throw_a_grenade 3y ago
Dunno about your HS, but mine agreed that I cycle the coupon 2 times, because I wanted to go with my wife (then fiancee).
- Aachen 3y ago
  Sure, but there is a limit. I had a whole queue of (techy/hacker) friends that wanted to go (and had gone previous years, so they know what it's like, some of them I met there, they aren't just random people), but the hackerspace has such a queue times a hundred members. They can't give it to everyone, and I don't quite get why not just everyone gets equal chances in the open sale. Having core contributors, angels, (previous) speakers, yeah sure. But the people at a random space? Doesn't seem very specific
  - throw_a_grenade 3y ago
    These are not "random" spaces, those are hackerspaces, and the event is for hackers and for building communities, so it's no surprise that the tickets are distributed to known hackers, those that are members of communities. Why not "equal chances": because the tickets would be gone in 0,01s after opening sale, to bots operated by scalpers, and would be available in secondary circulation to highest bidders, not to real hackers. BTW DEFCON morphed from hacker-oriented to money-oriented, with predictable result. It's my understanding that CCCV wants to avoid this exact result, and instead operates a hybrid system that leaves some tickets to open sale, and reserves some tickets for members of their own Verein and friends (and friends of friends, etc.).
    - Aachen 3y ago
      > because the tickets would be gone in 0,01s after opening sale Yes, that's why you connect at the right time and it's essentially a lottery system. They announce when it will be and there is a unique captcha ("press the red dot") for each sale before you make it into the queue so you can't script it. They even restarted one time after a captcha was broken in some browsers. I've done this many times in past years and it worked fine. Friends and I seem to get mostly random positions in the queue. > These are not "random" spaces, those are hackerspaces, Yeah that's what people refer to the space as, if you're both familiar with them. Was indeed wondering if I needed to write it out again when having used the word hackerspace already earlier in my comment, but figured this would signal in-group more. Apparently not. > the tickets are distributed to known hackers, those that are members of communities. That was my point actually. The people I see at hacker spaces aren't more hackery than those that aren't involved with a particular space. Many of the people that meet there regularly just come there to chat with friends rather than using things in ways they weren't meant to be used. It's a very broad audience, quite random, and generally one that is in favour of everyone having equal chances

BasedCountie 3y ago

And if not, you're excluded. I mean, maybe that's a good thing, but certainly not what makes me interested in CCC at all.