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The good part of having the Congress in Leipzig was abundance of cheaper hotels. Hamburg is more expensive.

by breton 3y ago

martin_a 3y ago
I just reserved a room in a Motel One for three nights + breakfasts for 351 Euro. That's not exactly cheap, but I don't think it's really that expensive.
- rdl 3y ago
  Yeah, lots of hotels in the $100-160/night range in Hamburg especially during that time window. The Radisson (attached) is unfortunately pretty expensive, especially for a Radission Blu, but very convenient especially if the weather is inclement, and being able to run back to the room throughout the day (vs a 0.5-1km trip by foot or car or whatever) is really nice. Radisson cancellation policy of one MONTH in advance is pretty annoying, though.
- dmichulke 3y ago
  FYI: Your price might increase in the future. https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/motel-one-says-ransomware-gang-stole-customer-credit-card-data/?guccounter=1 https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/motel-one-says-ransomware-... From another source (non-English) I get the data (5TB) is available on the darknet.
  - martin_a 3y ago
    Read it over at fefe. Will have a close look at my credit card in the future... :-D
tannhaeuser 3y ago
Leipzig has seen a massive boom in the past decade, especially in tech/start ups and real estate investment. So much so, in fact, that Leipzig (Connewitz) became popular for leftist protest, riot, and squatting. So having only a fraction of places to sleep anyway, I'm not sure Leipzig is cheaper, especially around Xmas (ie Thomaskirche being the place where Bach worked as kantor).
- morita2342 3y ago
  I don’t remember a time when Connewitz wasn’t a popular place for actual Antifa (not just left-leaning) people, and I’ve known Leipzig for over 30 years. The boom is mostly driven by students and some economy settling due to the convenient transport location. Leipzig is located right at the intersection of two historic major European trade routes after all (via imperii and via regia) - which is, next long-tested fair infrastructure - also a reason why this place was quite a great choice for the Congress. Hamburg is much more cumbersome to reach and commute through.
  - tannhaeuser 3y ago
    I mean it obviously depends from where you're arriving but I wouldn't describe Hamburg as "cumbersome" to reach given it's enormous habor (one of the largest in the world) with the implied net of hinterland roads and trains, plus the airport, etc.
    - morita2342 3y ago
      You plan arriving at the Congress via freighter ship? :p Since it is mostly a middle-European event with climate-conscious attendees, most will arrive by train if using any sort of public transport. DBs connections to Hamburg, even from Berlin are abysmal if you compare to Leipzig.
      - tannhaeuser 3y ago
        Still don't know what you you're talking about re: abysmal. The facts are - the distance from Berlin to Hamburg is 282km, there are 33 daily train connections, taking 1:44h or more - the distance from Berlin to Leipzig is 148km, there are 27 daily train connections, taking 1:26h or more The real question though is, why would you want to travel through Berlin under all circumstances ;)
        morita2342 3y ago
        I did not only mean from Berlin but from many other cities, particularly other big centres like Munich, Prague, Vienna, Frankfurt. Even Zurich has a direct train to Leipzig. Leipzig has historically been at an excellent location within Europe and still is. Last time I checked any late evening connections Berlin - Hamburg were quite scarce. Maybe they upped it a bit then. Still, Hamburg being in the far north is not exactly great for travel.
fullspectrumdev 3y ago
The downside was “getting to and from the venue” and the abject lack of food options in the venue and nearby area. The on site food vendors were - universally - garbage. The nearby options were also pretty bad. You had to spend maybe 45 minutes commuting to get somewhere reasonable

The good part of having the Congress in Leipzig was abundance of cheaper hotels. Hamburg is more expensive.

by breton 3y ago

The good part of having the Congress in Leipzig was abundance of cheaper hotels. Hamburg is more expensive.

I just reserved a room in a Motel One for three nights + breakfasts for 351 Euro. That's not exactly cheap, but I don't think it's really that expensive.

rdl 3y ago
Yeah, lots of hotels in the $100-160/night range in Hamburg especially during that time window. The Radisson (attached) is unfortunately pretty expensive, especially for a Radission Blu, but very convenient especially if the weather is inclement, and being able to run back to the room throughout the day (vs a 0.5-1km trip by foot or car or whatever) is really nice. Radisson cancellation policy of one MONTH in advance is pretty annoying, though.
dmichulke 3y ago
FYI: Your price might increase in the future. https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/motel-one-says-ransomware-gang-stole-customer-credit-card-data/?guccounter=1 https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/03/motel-one-says-ransomware-... From another source (non-English) I get the data (5TB) is available on the darknet.
- martin_a 3y ago
  Read it over at fefe. Will have a close look at my credit card in the future... :-D

tannhaeuser 3y ago

Leipzig has seen a massive boom in the past decade, especially in tech/start ups and real estate investment. So much so, in fact, that Leipzig (Connewitz) became popular for leftist protest, riot, and squatting. So having only a fraction of places to sleep anyway, I'm not sure Leipzig is cheaper, especially around Xmas (ie Thomaskirche being the place where Bach worked as kantor).

morita2342 3y ago
I don’t remember a time when Connewitz wasn’t a popular place for actual Antifa (not just left-leaning) people, and I’ve known Leipzig for over 30 years. The boom is mostly driven by students and some economy settling due to the convenient transport location. Leipzig is located right at the intersection of two historic major European trade routes after all (via imperii and via regia) - which is, next long-tested fair infrastructure - also a reason why this place was quite a great choice for the Congress. Hamburg is much more cumbersome to reach and commute through.
- tannhaeuser 3y ago
  I mean it obviously depends from where you're arriving but I wouldn't describe Hamburg as "cumbersome" to reach given it's enormous habor (one of the largest in the world) with the implied net of hinterland roads and trains, plus the airport, etc.
  - morita2342 3y ago
    You plan arriving at the Congress via freighter ship? :p Since it is mostly a middle-European event with climate-conscious attendees, most will arrive by train if using any sort of public transport. DBs connections to Hamburg, even from Berlin are abysmal if you compare to Leipzig.
    - tannhaeuser 3y ago
      Still don't know what you you're talking about re: abysmal. The facts are - the distance from Berlin to Hamburg is 282km, there are 33 daily train connections, taking 1:44h or more - the distance from Berlin to Leipzig is 148km, there are 27 daily train connections, taking 1:26h or more The real question though is, why would you want to travel through Berlin under all circumstances ;)
      - morita2342 3y ago
        I did not only mean from Berlin but from many other cities, particularly other big centres like Munich, Prague, Vienna, Frankfurt. Even Zurich has a direct train to Leipzig. Leipzig has historically been at an excellent location within Europe and still is. Last time I checked any late evening connections Berlin - Hamburg were quite scarce. Maybe they upped it a bit then. Still, Hamburg being in the far north is not exactly great for travel.

fullspectrumdev 3y ago

The downside was “getting to and from the venue” and the abject lack of food options in the venue and nearby area. The on site food vendors were - universally - garbage. The nearby options were also pretty bad. You had to spend maybe 45 minutes commuting to get somewhere reasonable