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OK, so you think a star was just a tiny point of visible light... until we developed telescopes. This is a antrophocentric world view by definition. I think yo

OK, so you think a star was just a tiny point of visible light... until we developed telescopes. This is a antrophocentric world view by definition. I think you are taking us far too serious, we are not that important...

pyinstallwoes 3y ago
Yet you are a singularity.
- ifdefdebug 3y ago
  So is a whirl in a fast river. Doesn't mean it's important or long lasting.
  - pyinstallwoes 3y ago
    A whirl doesn't exist, the river does. The river whirls.
monkeycantype 3y ago
Maybe telescopes were already invented when then level loaded, maybe the simulation is only simulating the last 12 minutes
vidarh 3y ago
You can rephrase that to an assumption that maybe everything other than those entities being simulated has no existence at all other than the bare minimum required for the observation. Whether or not the person you're responding to then exists at all as a subject of the simulation or are just another lazily instantiated entity that only exists to the point you interact with them is then an open question. In other words, maybe you're the only subject. Or maybe I am. Or maybe all that exists are isolated "snapshots" and that we only assume time passes because we process a single momentary "image" of memories that includes the sensation of it passing. The problem, of course, is that we can not possible ever know. And so we mostly discard this notion because absent someone pulling us through a door and letting us observe it from the outside, we're stuck inside a room and trying to infer the outside shape of the building without having any idea how much of the interior we have access to.
- ifdefdebug 3y ago
  Yeah you can take this antrophocentric view to an egocentric extreme where I am nothing but a lazily evaluated interaction with you which is, btw, the reason this reply came so late... The engine didn't get around to it earlier :)

pyinstallwoes 3y ago

Yet you are a singularity.

ifdefdebug 3y ago
So is a whirl in a fast river. Doesn't mean it's important or long lasting.
- pyinstallwoes 3y ago
  A whirl doesn't exist, the river does. The river whirls.

monkeycantype 3y ago

Maybe telescopes were already invented when then level loaded, maybe the simulation is only simulating the last 12 minutes

vidarh 3y ago

You can rephrase that to an assumption that maybe everything other than those entities being simulated has no existence at all other than the bare minimum required for the observation. Whether or not the person you're responding to then exists at all as a subject of the simulation or are just another lazily instantiated entity that only exists to the point you interact with them is then an open question. In other words, maybe you're the only subject. Or maybe I am. Or maybe all that exists are isolated "snapshots" and that we only assume time passes because we process a single momentary "image" of memories that includes the sensation of it passing. The problem, of course, is that we can not possible ever know. And so we mostly discard this notion because absent someone pulling us through a door and letting us observe it from the outside, we're stuck inside a room and trying to infer the outside shape of the building without having any idea how much of the interior we have access to.

ifdefdebug 3y ago
Yeah you can take this antrophocentric view to an egocentric extreme where I am nothing but a lazily evaluated interaction with you which is, btw, the reason this reply came so late... The engine didn't get around to it earlier :)