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> the alternative is it's own flavor of Android a-la Huawei Or one that couple of major OEMs drive. But they won't do that. That's just not gonna happen. One,

> the alternative is it's own flavor of Android a-la Huawei Or one that couple of major OEMs drive. But they won't do that. That's just not gonna happen. One, software is anything but Samsung's forte, they suck at it. They are much worse at Software than even Apple is. Second, Samsung is not a very smart company, it's an extremely "hard working" company without the smarts (yes, I know). But they are smart enough to know their weakness. They also can't trust too many companies, or other OEMs. In the Google-Samsung relationship they know that Google needs a company like Samsung with its strengths to churn out millions of devices to millions of people where they can put their OS and track every breath these users take. So it works for both of them. A fee for a default search engine or so I think comes secondary. Samsung also knows that the service suit Google offers - Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube, Docs etc it is like "the mail", "the map"…. etc in most of the world and moving away from Google blessed Android is not going to sit well with "their target audience" (I had to put quotes for emphasis lest some noble HNer jumps saying they have been hosting their own email since before they could tie their shoe laces). Samsung "own mobile OS" shenanigans? Nope, no one at Google or at Samsung believed even for a moment it was going anywhere.

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namdnay 3y ago
> They are much worse at Software than even Apple ?? > But they are smart enough to know their weakness If they were they wouldn't have insisted on building their UI layer on top of stock android
- ladyanita22 3y ago
  They need to differentiate, but given Samsung's clearly lackluster track record at OSes, it's obvious they're very bad at software and they know it. Plus their Android flavor (One UI) is extremely underperforming, even when compared to the Chinese OEMs. If we compared it against the cleanliness of Pixel software, you'd inmediately see Google is simply much, much better than Samsung at software even with the same foundations.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    I don't want the "cleanliness" of Pixel software in any of my devices.
  - aicez 3y ago
    One UI being far inferior to Google's own UI might have been true in the past, but not so much now. One UI has been quite decent from my personal experience for the past several years now. Perhaps it's time to give it another try.
    - ladyanita22 3y ago
      Oh, I have given it. I just tried up until Android 12 (included), so only the latest OneUI I've missed.
tgma 3y ago
> Samsung is not a very smart company Have you used a recent Samsung device, especially foldables? Google, the OS provider is playing a total catch-up there, for example, and the implementation is pretty good and all first-party from Samsung. They have their own implementation of iCloud/Continuity features across their tablets/phones and their Windows laptops that works decently (not Apple level, but Apple has been sucking lately too). I used to believe they suck at software and can never catch up. You'd be surprised how much they have improved in first party ecosystem building. In many ways they would be superior to Google's first party experience, if they pulled back on bloating the device with a bunch of useless Samsung apps and kept it to a non-zero minimum. The window management, search, etc experience on the recent 2022/3 devices were all ahead of Google. Hardware wise they are a pioneer. And it's not like Google, the smart company, is great at shipping new OSes either. Look at that Fucshia vapor crap. It's a hard problem to build an OS and a successful ecosystem around it; galaxies need to align, and is not easily attributable to just lack of smartness.

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namdnay 3y ago

> They are much worse at Software than even Apple ?? > But they are smart enough to know their weakness If they were they wouldn't have insisted on building their UI layer on top of stock android

ladyanita22 3y ago
They need to differentiate, but given Samsung's clearly lackluster track record at OSes, it's obvious they're very bad at software and they know it. Plus their Android flavor (One UI) is extremely underperforming, even when compared to the Chinese OEMs. If we compared it against the cleanliness of Pixel software, you'd inmediately see Google is simply much, much better than Samsung at software even with the same foundations.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  I don't want the "cleanliness" of Pixel software in any of my devices.
- aicez 3y ago
  One UI being far inferior to Google's own UI might have been true in the past, but not so much now. One UI has been quite decent from my personal experience for the past several years now. Perhaps it's time to give it another try.
  - ladyanita22 3y ago
    Oh, I have given it. I just tried up until Android 12 (included), so only the latest OneUI I've missed.

tgma 3y ago

> Samsung is not a very smart company Have you used a recent Samsung device, especially foldables? Google, the OS provider is playing a total catch-up there, for example, and the implementation is pretty good and all first-party from Samsung. They have their own implementation of iCloud/Continuity features across their tablets/phones and their Windows laptops that works decently (not Apple level, but Apple has been sucking lately too). I used to believe they suck at software and can never catch up. You'd be surprised how much they have improved in first party ecosystem building. In many ways they would be superior to Google's first party experience, if they pulled back on bloating the device with a bunch of useless Samsung apps and kept it to a non-zero minimum. The window management, search, etc experience on the recent 2022/3 devices were all ahead of Google. Hardware wise they are a pioneer. And it's not like Google, the smart company, is great at shipping new OSes either. Look at that Fucshia vapor crap. It's a hard problem to build an OS and a successful ecosystem around it; galaxies need to align, and is not easily attributable to just lack of smartness.