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> if you're looking to hire frontend engineers, the candidate pool for React is a few orders or magnitude bigger Can't these candidates quickly learn Hotwire?

> if you're looking to hire frontend engineers, the candidate pool for React is a few orders or magnitude bigger Can't these candidates quickly learn Hotwire? Seems like its much simpler than React (less moving parts)

technion 3y ago
You'd be surprised how many candidates would prefer to just take another job. If for no other reason than resume building with the word react.
- 0xblinq 3y ago
  Then that was not a good candidate from the get go? What about hiring people that really care about the product they're building and not just tool fanatics?
  - mplewis 3y ago
    One good reason to avoid a job doing Hotwire is so that you can take a job doing React for a similar amount, where your experience applies better and where you'll gain more transferrable experience. In short, it's probably better for your career to work on React.
    - 0xblinq 3y ago
      Also, I'm not 100% sure it's for the "same amount". To me it looks like Rails jobs have higher salaries, at least around here. But that could be because most Rails devs have many years of experience, I don't know.
    - 0xblinq 3y ago
      As a developer, I get it. What I don't get is why as an owner/stakeholder/CTO/lead would pick the worse tool (in some context) just because everyone is using it. Well, I do get it... I just don't agree. If you read between the lines here, everyone is just picking React because everyone else is picking React, that's the only reason apparently. It drives me mad, but honestly I do understand it.
      - kurupt88 3y ago
        Yeah, especially for crud apps when you get to implementing forms. So much easier with rails and hotwire. But I would be tempted to go react and inertia js for MUI or EUI for the predesinged components and nice datagrids. - https://eui.elastic.co https://eui.elastic.co - https://mui.com https://mui.com
ulizzle 3y ago
No because every job wants you to hit the ground running. They’ll start asking for “10 years experience in Rails Hotwire” at some point
gedy 3y ago
> Can't these candidates quickly learn Hotwire? Main issue I've seen is Rails shops don't hire devs without Rails experience, or expect you to interview well with backend OOP type code. I guess that's okay for someone wanting to get away from frontend and be "full stack", but it's not for a lot of people.
brennopost 3y ago
Stimulus is considerably simpler than React, imo. Turbo, with frames and streams, might take a little time to get the hang of, but it's not overly complex either.

technion 3y ago

You'd be surprised how many candidates would prefer to just take another job. If for no other reason than resume building with the word react.

0xblinq 3y ago
Then that was not a good candidate from the get go? What about hiring people that really care about the product they're building and not just tool fanatics?
- mplewis 3y ago
  One good reason to avoid a job doing Hotwire is so that you can take a job doing React for a similar amount, where your experience applies better and where you'll gain more transferrable experience. In short, it's probably better for your career to work on React.
  - 0xblinq 3y ago
    Also, I'm not 100% sure it's for the "same amount". To me it looks like Rails jobs have higher salaries, at least around here. But that could be because most Rails devs have many years of experience, I don't know.
  - 0xblinq 3y ago
    As a developer, I get it. What I don't get is why as an owner/stakeholder/CTO/lead would pick the worse tool (in some context) just because everyone is using it. Well, I do get it... I just don't agree. If you read between the lines here, everyone is just picking React because everyone else is picking React, that's the only reason apparently. It drives me mad, but honestly I do understand it.
    - kurupt88 3y ago
      Yeah, especially for crud apps when you get to implementing forms. So much easier with rails and hotwire. But I would be tempted to go react and inertia js for MUI or EUI for the predesinged components and nice datagrids. - https://eui.elastic.co https://eui.elastic.co - https://mui.com https://mui.com

ulizzle 3y ago

No because every job wants you to hit the ground running. They’ll start asking for “10 years experience in Rails Hotwire” at some point

gedy 3y ago

> Can't these candidates quickly learn Hotwire? Main issue I've seen is Rails shops don't hire devs without Rails experience, or expect you to interview well with backend OOP type code. I guess that's okay for someone wanting to get away from frontend and be "full stack", but it's not for a lot of people.

brennopost 3y ago

Stimulus is considerably simpler than React, imo. Turbo, with frames and streams, might take a little time to get the hang of, but it's not overly complex either.