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Why wouldn't I tell the internet where I am? It's not really a compromising piece of information. (For example: Right now I'm in an office building at 5th and M

by jes5199 15y ago

Why wouldn't I tell the internet where I am? It's not really a compromising piece of information. (For example: Right now I'm in an office building at 5th and Mission, in San Francisco!) I know that some people have a safety need to stay more hidden than I do, and we should continue to make it possible for them to stay unmapped. But for the average person: I don't think their physical location is that significant or dangerous.

nownow 15y ago
I agree. Broadcasting your location is only dangerous if you are in a potential position of danger. The fact that you are at work in a secure office building (presumably at Square) means you are probably not in a position of danger. Also, you probably don't worry about being followed home from work. If a young woman were broadcasting which shortcut down the alley she tends to take on her way home from work, one might argue that is a different story. You are not vulnerable at your location; some people might accidentally publish a trend of vulnerable locations.
- j4b 15y ago
  Broadcasting your location also broadcasts where you aren't. I'm shocked there haven't been more news stories (or scare stories) about people being burglarized based on checkins.
  - cstejerean 15y ago
    Most people aren't at home during regular working hours. That might be why most burglaries occur during daytime hours when nobody is at home. No location sharing necessary.
toyg 15y ago
Maybe because tracking down the address for a Jesse W. in SanFrancisco isn't that hard (you just need the right website), and after that... Somebody already pointed out that a "Burglar Me Please" app would be banal to write: you just walk along SF, and the app will tell you which owner is home and which is away, and how far s/he is; correlate with Facebook (is he married? is he so young he might be sharing his flat?) and you get a list of easy targets in the area. It's not only about where you are, it's also about where you are not at any given time.
- sausagefeet 15y ago
  pleaserobme.com has existed for while (looks like they have changed it to be more of a data leakage awareness site but originally it just spit out a stream of people who weren't home).
- cstejerean 15y ago
  It might be that the people with the skills to write such an app can make money easier and safer than having to resort to breaking into houses.
- ricardobeat 15y ago
  Alternatively you can check the house for movement, lights or noise. It's just as reliable.
  - lrobb 15y ago
    Not nearly. You might not see any movement in a house... but maybe there's a bouncer asleep in there after working all night. Much better to see that the family announced they were spending the day at the beach.
    - ricardobeat 15y ago
      Both: that's my point. A check-in somewhere else doesn't guarantee there's no one home.
  - DasIch 15y ago
    No movement, lights or noise could also mean someone is in the house sleeping, in the backyard, in another part of the house if it is a larger one and you also have no idea how soon the inhabitant(s) will be back.
- bigiain 15y ago
  Not just _a_ place at _a_ time, but possibly a multi-year history of not just locations, but businesses/venues/events/communities. I'm less concerned about burglary than I am about big business. I wonder how long before we start hearing stories like "My health insurance just went up 300% - when I asked why, they said I visit bars on average twice a week, I eat out at higher than average rates at restaurants ranked on the high side of increasing heart risk, I routinely travel at walking pace through high-crime areas, and I've attended 13 events at which illegal drug use has been reported."
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adrianhoward 15y ago
One reason is that it's not just your location that's the issue. It's your location + all the other public information I can potentially find out about you combined with your location. The combination of a lot of separate facts can, together, potentially make people open to risks that aren't immediately obvious. For example consider what location from foursquare + sexual orientation from facebook + photo from twitter would give to the scum who gay bash. The combination of religion + location + face is another thing some folk wouldn't want to be public. I hate to think what the National Front would have done with a "gays, muslims & jews near me" app...

by jes5199 15y ago

nownow 15y ago

I agree. Broadcasting your location is only dangerous if you are in a potential position of danger. The fact that you are at work in a secure office building (presumably at Square) means you are probably not in a position of danger. Also, you probably don't worry about being followed home from work. If a young woman were broadcasting which shortcut down the alley she tends to take on her way home from work, one might argue that is a different story. You are not vulnerable at your location; some people might accidentally publish a trend of vulnerable locations.

j4b 15y ago
Broadcasting your location also broadcasts where you aren't. I'm shocked there haven't been more news stories (or scare stories) about people being burglarized based on checkins.
- cstejerean 15y ago
  Most people aren't at home during regular working hours. That might be why most burglaries occur during daytime hours when nobody is at home. No location sharing necessary.

toyg 15y ago

Maybe because tracking down the address for a Jesse W. in SanFrancisco isn't that hard (you just need the right website), and after that... Somebody already pointed out that a "Burglar Me Please" app would be banal to write: you just walk along SF, and the app will tell you which owner is home and which is away, and how far s/he is; correlate with Facebook (is he married? is he so young he might be sharing his flat?) and you get a list of easy targets in the area. It's not only about where you are, it's also about where you are not at any given time.

sausagefeet 15y ago
pleaserobme.com has existed for while (looks like they have changed it to be more of a data leakage awareness site but originally it just spit out a stream of people who weren't home).
cstejerean 15y ago
It might be that the people with the skills to write such an app can make money easier and safer than having to resort to breaking into houses.
ricardobeat 15y ago
Alternatively you can check the house for movement, lights or noise. It's just as reliable.
- lrobb 15y ago
  Not nearly. You might not see any movement in a house... but maybe there's a bouncer asleep in there after working all night. Much better to see that the family announced they were spending the day at the beach.
  - ricardobeat 15y ago
    Both: that's my point. A check-in somewhere else doesn't guarantee there's no one home.
- DasIch 15y ago
  No movement, lights or noise could also mean someone is in the house sleeping, in the backyard, in another part of the house if it is a larger one and you also have no idea how soon the inhabitant(s) will be back.
bigiain 15y ago
Not just _a_ place at _a_ time, but possibly a multi-year history of not just locations, but businesses/venues/events/communities. I'm less concerned about burglary than I am about big business. I wonder how long before we start hearing stories like "My health insurance just went up 300% - when I asked why, they said I visit bars on average twice a week, I eat out at higher than average rates at restaurants ranked on the high side of increasing heart risk, I routinely travel at walking pace through high-crime areas, and I've attended 13 events at which illegal drug use has been reported."

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adrianhoward 15y ago

One reason is that it's not just your location that's the issue. It's your location + all the other public information I can potentially find out about you combined with your location. The combination of a lot of separate facts can, together, potentially make people open to risks that aren't immediately obvious. For example consider what location from foursquare + sexual orientation from facebook + photo from twitter would give to the scum who gay bash. The combination of religion + location + face is another thing some folk wouldn't want to be public. I hate to think what the National Front would have done with a "gays, muslims & jews near me" app...