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> Although I appreciate Vivaldi for getting a iOS version out, do keep in mind that it's very inferior to Safari much like all non-Safari browsers on iOS runnin
by brucethemoose2 3y ago
> Although I appreciate Vivaldi for getting a iOS version out, do keep in mind that it's very inferior to Safari much like all non-Safari browsers on iOS running WebKit because of how very privileged Safari is and sadly their hands are very tied. The only hope is that the EU's DMA and DSA can allow third-party browsing engines on iOS eventually, and this release is a head start type of move toward that goal I feel.
This is a double sided coin. 90% of the browsers on Google Play are absolute trash (if not, arguably, straight up malware), and some are apparently very popular.
Give 3rd party iOS browsers more permissions, and devs will exploit every single bit of privilege to the max, and then some, en masse.
- kernal 3y ago[flagged]
- brucethemoose2 3y ago90% may be hyperbole, and I cannot, because the web results are for some reason totally different that what I am being served in a search on my phone. But still: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=adblock%20browser&c=apps&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/search?q=adblock%20browser&c=a... https://play.google.com/store/search?q=video%20download%20browser&c=apps&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/search?q=video%20download%20br... Top results are OK, but it goes downhill pretty quickly.
- kernal 3y ago[flagged]
- menacingly 3y agoI dig the consistency of your "bizarrely hostile pro-google" vibe
- rg111 3y agoWhy would you even look at browsers other than the well known ones? Chrome, Brave, Firefox, Edge, DuckDuckGo, etc. are used by ~100% people.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago> Chrome, Edge Gratuitous data harvesting, and Edge in particular has gotten really spammy with Microsoft promos. > Firefox Very slow/power hungry for me, especially with extensions which I need for dark mode, adblocking and such. > DuckDuckGo Probably good?
- Synaesthesia 3y agoFirefox on Android is great IMO, fast, not power hungry and the extensions/features are awesome. I love not being bothered by ads, even on YouTube, and having videos play in the background.
- Firmwarrior 3y agoFirefox for Android guzzles power like crazy, even slightly more than Chrome You probably come out ahead if you load it up with a real adblocker though Being able to browse with uBlock and Privacy Badger is a game changer for me. I basically don't use my mobile browser at all on iOS, and I don't use any social media or news apps either, so you can guess how useful the device is.. haha
- brucethemoose2 3y agoCromite with its native adblock and darkmode is, for me, the bee's knees. I am on an older Android phone though. If it ain't broke...
- bad_user 3y agoBromite's ad-blocking is very basic, the worst of the bunch. But it's a decent choice nonetheless.
- mattnewton 3y agoI don’t ink it makes sense to argue against consumer choice because consumers might go out of their way to choose something worse than safari.
- HatchedLake721 3y agoConsumers that care whether their phone browser runs WebKit or not (I bet it’s <0.01% of iPhone users) can choose Android. My mom has an iPhone and I can sleep safe knowing she won’t install some dodgy browser or anything like that. I’m happy such category of devices exist and I’m happy to pay a premium.
- CivBase 3y agoWhen Android is the only real alternative "just don't buy iPhones" isn't a very compelling argument. Android has tons of problems and likewise, the only alternative users really have is the iPhone. Consumers need more than two options if the free market is going to be effective.
- HatchedLake721 3y agoThere will not be more than two options anytime soon, and what a lot of people miss here, it’s developer’s fault too. Microsoft in their last few years tried very hard to incentivise developers to build apps for Windows Phone. But many didn’t bother. Some even only targeted iOS because of the reach and how amazing the development experience was, including less devices to test and support compared to Android and Windows Phone. And this made the choice for consumers easier, when (I don’t remember the names) some very popular and big apps at the time were not natively available on Windows Phone at all. Even Tim Sweeney never brought Unreal Engine to Windows Phone despite their promises and I’d say played part to build the current status quo. Developers voted with their time to build apps for a 30% fee marketplace that suddenly was a gateway to distribute their work to millions of users worldwide that was not heard of before in the era of Windows Mobile. (pre iPhone) And now they cry wolf about the system they’ve voluntarily helped to build.
- tayistay 3y agoIsn't this more of a problem of Google being too permissive about trash browsers on their store than an issue of whether a browser can have its own JIT compiler?
- brucethemoose2 3y agoIndeed. Admittedly lot of the Safari security concerns (like JIT) seem very extreme.