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Hyundai, Kia to adopt Tesla EV-charging standard from 2024 in US
- geoelectric 3y agoWell, at least they're giving me an adapter for my port-orphaned Ioniq 5.
- mkozlows 3y agoIn 2025. And it'll only charge at 50kW. Yay.
- notacoward 3y agoAs the owner of a Nissan Leaf: welcome to my world. BTW I don't mind that much. It's a fantastic car for short-to-medium drives. In some ways I like it better than my Mini which I had and loved for 13 years. But for anything longer ... no. The rarity and slowness of ChaDeMo charging makes that a no-go. Fortunately we have my wife's car for longer trips, and in a couple of years might be able to replace that with whatever's the Latest Greatest in EVs by then. Probably go solar (plus wind if the tech is there by then) at the same time. (Yes, I considered the electric Mini at the time. Thought the range was laughably short. In 20/20 hindsight I now think it would have been just about perfect for me.)
- geoelectric 3y agoWell, one key difference is that 800V/lower-amps fast charging at DC chargers is one of the major advantages of the E-GMP platform Hyundai uses…10-80% under 20 minutes on an 800V charger. But on a 400V system like Tesla, those low amps mean especially slow charging. So this guts the specific buying point that made the car special, if Tesla stays at 400V, and severely devalues it. It’ll charge like the famously awful Chevy Bolt. CHAdeMO has been on its way out long enough that I assume anyone with a Leaf still on the road knew what they were getting into when they bought it. You buy that car to charge at home or work. The Ioniq 5 was supposed to be road trip capable.
- turtlebits 3y agoI blame Electrify America for tanking the viability of EV road trips with their abysmal reliability. I know of several people who sold their EVs to buy Teslas for the fact that they couldn't take them on long trips.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoVW was incentivized to meet their ordered Dieselgate obligations, not build a reliable fast charging network. Incentives -> outcome.
- atonse 3y agoWas EA using CCS? Cuz it would’ve been nice to have more options than superchargers. But the SC network is so good now, road trips are a breeze.
- Kirby64 3y agoYes, everyone except Tesla was using CCS. They still are, but might switch by 2025 or whatever. I suspect they’ll have both connectors for awhile, similar to have some DCFC had a CCS and Chademo.
- stbenjam 3y agoAt most EA stations one of them still has chademo. EVgo also still has it.
- Kirby64 3y agoChademo is a failed connector in the US that basically only exists for two reasons: * Nissan leafs still stubbornly only use Chademo for fast charging. Even for the 2024 model! * Before the CCS1 -> NACS adapter that Tesla made, the only option for Teslas to fast charge was to use the (very expensive) Chademo -> NACS adapter. It is irrelevant and essentially does not matter or exist.
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- spikels 3y agoGenesis also committed to NACS today. Just need the VW Group (VW, Audi, Porsche), BMW, Toyota and Stellantis (Chrysler, Jeep, Fiat) to adopt NACS and we will have the entire US market (99.9%+) on a single standard. Progress!
- ender341341 3y agoGenesis is Hyundai/Kia (just at least in the US a much smaller part of the market). So all their EVs are built on the same base.
- dublinben 3y agoDo those remaining brands even sell any appreciable amount of EVs in the North American market? If they don’t get on board with NACS, they’re likely to be completely left behind. It will be most interesting to see how the rising Chinese brands react to this.
- spikels 3y agoFor 1st half of this year their EV market share was still pretty small in the US: VW/Audi/Porsche: 5.4% BMW/Mini: 3.4% Toyota/Lexus/Subaru: 1.4% Chrysler/Fiat/Jeep/Ram: 0.0% But they all have big EV plans and do somewhat better in Europe. No Chinese EVs have launched in the US yet. Given the tensions with China, both in trade and Taiwan, they will likely be excluded for the foreseeable future.
- mkozlows 3y agoWhat sucks is, Tesla's chargers will only charge Hyundai/Kia vehicles very slowly (50kW) due to a mismatch between their 400V and the 800V of the cars. I was hoping that they'd announce a fix to this, but... nope. Cynically, this is probably why they're releasing new, NACS-enabled cars (which will presumably charge at full speed on Tesla chargers) before releasing the adapter -- so that when owners of the existing cars realize how bad the experience is, new buyers will already have a better car available to buy, and won't need to worry about how this transition screwed over everyone who already bought a Hyundai/Kia EV.
- Armisael16 3y agoThe v4 superchargers are supposed to support 800V charging. They’re only just starting to be rolled out, unfortunately, but anyone who can hold out will probably end up okay.
- hnburnsy 3y agoTesla said in a recent segment with Jay Leno that the Cyber truck will share a 800-1000v architecture with the semi.
- Tagbert 3y agoIt seems that Tesla plans to upgrade their charging network to support higher voltages for charging. This is also needed for their upcoming truck, it seems. Hyundai suggested in a response to Green Car Reports that Tesla is on board to support its EVs' charge rates: “Tesla’s commitment to expanding its network will enhance customer access to out-of-home charging and fully support the ultra-fast charging speeds on Hyundai’s advanced Electric-Global Modular Platform (E-GMP) vehicles, including Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 and the upcoming Ioniq 7.” https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1141026_hyundai-evs-get-tesla-nacs-charge-port-starting-late-2024 https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1141026_hyundai-evs-get...
- pornel 3y agoI'm getting 150kW in Ioniq 5 on European CSS-based Tesla superchargers.
- janalsncm 3y agoI will personally never buy a Kia due to their refusal to fix widespread theft issues. And it’s not just Kia owners who are affected. The thieves steal cars and crash them into other things, making everyone less safe. Whoever made the call to install faulty ignition locks needs to be in prison.
- thatfrenchguy 3y agoThey have in 2023 models, and all of their EVs are not impacted. > faulty ignition locks This is a regulatory failure, immobilizers are required in most markets outside the USA.
- chung8123 3y agoJust because a model is not impacted by the specific issue doesn't mean that it isn't more likely to get broken into and damaged. The issue impacted all KIAs and the insurance for them unfortunately.
- janalsncm 3y agoSo are Kias subject to fewer regulations than every other brand of vehicle that didn’t have this issue?
- mixmastamyk 3y agoIs there any way to use these chargers with some privacy? What information goes over the cable? Car model, license plate, locations, etc? Charging condom? Payment is a separate issue and I'm mostly interested in the details above.
- Tagbert 3y agoProbably less information than when you use your credit card to buy gasoline.
- mixmastamyk 3y agoHighly unlikely due to PCI.
- Tagbert 3y agoNot the transaction financial information but certainly the purchase amount and location are not covered by PCI restrictions and if a gas chain can find someone to pay them for that information, then they already have the arrangements and are doing so.
- inemesitaffia 3y agoTrue. The trade-off in Tesla's case isn't selling the data (yet) they use it to manage congestion in thier routing maps
- mixmastamyk 3y agoIndividual ID is at the bank, not the gas station. Cash is still around. Thanks for focusing conversation on the thing specifically called out as well-known and uninteresting.