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The definition of 'woman' is irrelevant here, as the conference is not strictly limited to people who are women or non-binary: >Earlier in the week, the organi

by foldr 3y ago

The definition of 'woman' is irrelevant here, as the conference is not strictly limited to people who are women or non-binary: >Earlier in the week, the organization addressed calls to ban men from the conference by saying that "male allyship is necessary" to work toward overall inclusivity and also that federal law prohibited discrimination based on gender. So even if you made people get their vaginas out when they checked in, there is nothing to stop people who aren't women by any definition from being assholes and attending a conference that's clearly not intended to be a space primarily for them.

dpkonofa 3y ago
Thank you! This victim-blaming nonsense is so infuriating to see. As long as people are willing to be dishonest, this same thing can happen in any area where spaces are designated for certain people. The argument the parent is making is essentially akin to "maybe they should have changed the dress code if they didn't want people being raped" instead of blaming rapists.
- brickening 3y ago
  We can simultaneously both blame rapists and have effective safeguarding policy that minimizes the risk of rapists getting access to victims. As an example, prisons almost always have a policy of sex segregation, with separate estates for each sex. The female prison estate is designated solely for female prisoners, and the male estate solely for the males. This physical separation safeguards the female inmates from male inmates, many of whom are very dangerous and have already raped. In recent years, a handful of jurisdictions have experimented with allowing some male prisoners in the female prison estate, which resulted in sexual assaults and rapes of women prisoners, and even some pregnancies. The rapist men are to blame of course, but they were enabled in their crimes by a set of horrifying policy changes that put so many vulnerable women at a hugely increased risk. It's not victim-blaming to point this out and insist that this broken policy be changed.
  - dpkonofa 3y ago
    You literally just said “they were enabled in their crimes”. That is victim-blaming.
    - brickening 3y ago
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by foldr 3y ago

dpkonofa 3y ago

Thank you! This victim-blaming nonsense is so infuriating to see. As long as people are willing to be dishonest, this same thing can happen in any area where spaces are designated for certain people. The argument the parent is making is essentially akin to "maybe they should have changed the dress code if they didn't want people being raped" instead of blaming rapists.

brickening 3y ago
We can simultaneously both blame rapists and have effective safeguarding policy that minimizes the risk of rapists getting access to victims. As an example, prisons almost always have a policy of sex segregation, with separate estates for each sex. The female prison estate is designated solely for female prisoners, and the male estate solely for the males. This physical separation safeguards the female inmates from male inmates, many of whom are very dangerous and have already raped. In recent years, a handful of jurisdictions have experimented with allowing some male prisoners in the female prison estate, which resulted in sexual assaults and rapes of women prisoners, and even some pregnancies. The rapist men are to blame of course, but they were enabled in their crimes by a set of horrifying policy changes that put so many vulnerable women at a hugely increased risk. It's not victim-blaming to point this out and insist that this broken policy be changed.
- dpkonofa 3y ago
  You literally just said “they were enabled in their crimes”. That is victim-blaming.
  - brickening 3y ago
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