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An argument that someone could make, although maybe it's a bit logically suspect, is that Twitter is losing money for every user, and using Twitter is costing M

An argument that someone could make, although maybe it's a bit logically suspect, is that Twitter is losing money for every user, and using Twitter is costing Musk more money than it's generating for him.

threesevenths 3y ago
So does that imply that to continue to use Twitter is to harm Musk further? If that’s the case it’s zero sum and you’re still benefitting the other users of Twitter.
KerrAvon 3y ago
Doesn't fly. He'll lose more money if there are fewer eyeballs. Users are the metric he uses to attract advertisers.
- archontes 3y ago
  And if we reflexively block every advertiser the platform shows?
LargeWu 3y ago
There's competing losses happening here: Marginal operating losses per user which would be realized if I use the app, and "market cap" loss as a result of aggregate loss of users. If substantially fewer people use the app, the company is worth less. ("Market cap" in quotes because it's privately held). If I were acting in order to maximize losses, I think the latter would be more substantial. It also has the added benefit of not being exposed to the musings of Musk himself and the fascist crowd his reign has attracted to Twitter.
WorldMaker 3y ago
Given how much "X" has put into sandbagging and crippling the logged out user experience, it might make a lot more sense to keep using Twitter but only in logged out views because the signal "X" is sending is that is truly costing them a lot of money they are acting like they can't afford. (It truly is terrible now: no thread views, weird full screen ads, random reCAPTCHAs.) (I feel like a hipster on this discussion, I stopped using Twitter way back in 2016 before it was cool when I saw it's retweet/quote-tweet tools used to launder targeted misinformation from its terrible personalized ad networks all being abused as a cynical political tool. It was terrible before Musk got involved. "X" is a lot worse, but the downhill started years before, according to this early Twitter adopter.)
Zigurd 3y ago
I still use Xitter for cross-posting tiktoks. Why not? I don't engage.

threesevenths 3y ago

So does that imply that to continue to use Twitter is to harm Musk further? If that’s the case it’s zero sum and you’re still benefitting the other users of Twitter.

KerrAvon 3y ago

Doesn't fly. He'll lose more money if there are fewer eyeballs. Users are the metric he uses to attract advertisers.

archontes 3y ago
And if we reflexively block every advertiser the platform shows?

LargeWu 3y ago

There's competing losses happening here: Marginal operating losses per user which would be realized if I use the app, and "market cap" loss as a result of aggregate loss of users. If substantially fewer people use the app, the company is worth less. ("Market cap" in quotes because it's privately held). If I were acting in order to maximize losses, I think the latter would be more substantial. It also has the added benefit of not being exposed to the musings of Musk himself and the fascist crowd his reign has attracted to Twitter.

WorldMaker 3y ago

Given how much "X" has put into sandbagging and crippling the logged out user experience, it might make a lot more sense to keep using Twitter but only in logged out views because the signal "X" is sending is that is truly costing them a lot of money they are acting like they can't afford. (It truly is terrible now: no thread views, weird full screen ads, random reCAPTCHAs.) (I feel like a hipster on this discussion, I stopped using Twitter way back in 2016 before it was cool when I saw it's retweet/quote-tweet tools used to launder targeted misinformation from its terrible personalized ad networks all being abused as a cynical political tool. It was terrible before Musk got involved. "X" is a lot worse, but the downhill started years before, according to this early Twitter adopter.)

Zigurd 3y ago

I still use Xitter for cross-posting tiktoks. Why not? I don't engage.