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One could easily argue derived work is sufficiently different from the original to avoid a violation. ChatGPT doesn't just steal and slightly modify the origin

One could easily argue derived work is sufficiently different from the original to avoid a violation. ChatGPT doesn't just steal and slightly modify the original. It fully copies the style and feel, which aren't copyright protected. You can't just change the color of Mikey Mouse, call him AI Mouse and be good, but you can certainly create a new Disney-style character without triggering copyright violations.

cj 3y ago
> It fully copies the style and feel, which aren't copyright protected. Is that for certain? I have a feeling this point could be debated.
- dcow 3y ago
  Exactly. The court would consider other things like the impact of your modified copy and whether it competes financially with the original.
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- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  "style and feel" are entirely subjective. If I give DALL-E or MidJourney a picture of myself that I took (and therefore I own the copyright), and ask it to "Recreate this picture in the style of Pixar", am I violating Pixar's copyright? What if I decide to model it myself and deliberately imitate Pixar. Have I violated copyright? What if I decide to model it myself, and it just happens to look similar to Pixar, because I've watched a lot of their movies and it has influenced how I model people in 3D animation. Have I violated copyright?
  - cj 3y ago
    What if an AI model took the Barbie movie and added a filter to change the hue of every pixel and altered the voices to have Australian accents instead of American accents? I wonder if Disney would sue if you tried to sell and distribute despite 100% of the pixels and audio file not exactly copying the original. (Rhetorical question, Disney would definitely sue)
    - greggsy 3y ago
      I think early YouTube movie uploaders tried this angle but ultimately failed.
  - nickrubin 3y ago
    The answer to all of your questions is no
  - agloe_dreams 3y ago
    Question - Does it knowing what the style of Pixar is and knowing to read it constitute trademark infringement instead?
sleepybrett 3y ago
https://creativecommons.org/2023/03/23/the-complex-world-of-style-copyright-and-generative-ai/#:~:text=In%20some%20instances%2C%20mimicking%20an,the%20work%20is%20a%20copy https://creativecommons.org/2023/03/23/the-complex-world-of-.... "Style and artistic expression are certainly linked, but they are not the same thing. In some instances, mimicking an artist’s style may constitute copyright infringement, but when this is true will necessarily require a case-by-case analysis. Simply working in a style that is similar to another artist does not automatically mean the work is a copy. Moreover, there may be legitimate reasons to produce works in another artist’s style. The law should allow artists to be inspired by each other, even if that means having similar styles. Doing otherwise would chill expression, ultimately harming human creativity and the purposes of copyright law itself."

cj 3y ago

> It fully copies the style and feel, which aren't copyright protected. Is that for certain? I have a feeling this point could be debated.

dcow 3y ago
Exactly. The court would consider other things like the impact of your modified copy and whether it competes financially with the original.
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Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
"style and feel" are entirely subjective. If I give DALL-E or MidJourney a picture of myself that I took (and therefore I own the copyright), and ask it to "Recreate this picture in the style of Pixar", am I violating Pixar's copyright? What if I decide to model it myself and deliberately imitate Pixar. Have I violated copyright? What if I decide to model it myself, and it just happens to look similar to Pixar, because I've watched a lot of their movies and it has influenced how I model people in 3D animation. Have I violated copyright?
- cj 3y ago
  What if an AI model took the Barbie movie and added a filter to change the hue of every pixel and altered the voices to have Australian accents instead of American accents? I wonder if Disney would sue if you tried to sell and distribute despite 100% of the pixels and audio file not exactly copying the original. (Rhetorical question, Disney would definitely sue)
  - greggsy 3y ago
    I think early YouTube movie uploaders tried this angle but ultimately failed.
- nickrubin 3y ago
  The answer to all of your questions is no
- agloe_dreams 3y ago
  Question - Does it knowing what the style of Pixar is and knowing to read it constitute trademark infringement instead?

sleepybrett 3y ago

https://creativecommons.org/2023/03/23/the-complex-world-of-style-copyright-and-generative-ai/#:~:text=In%20some%20instances%2C%20mimicking%20an,the%20work%20is%20a%20copy https://creativecommons.org/2023/03/23/the-complex-world-of-.... "Style and artistic expression are certainly linked, but they are not the same thing. In some instances, mimicking an artist’s style may constitute copyright infringement, but when this is true will necessarily require a case-by-case analysis. Simply working in a style that is similar to another artist does not automatically mean the work is a copy. Moreover, there may be legitimate reasons to produce works in another artist’s style. The law should allow artists to be inspired by each other, even if that means having similar styles. Doing otherwise would chill expression, ultimately harming human creativity and the purposes of copyright law itself."