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I absolutely do not trust Microsoft with file storage. For whatever reason their entire internal platform is behoven to Sharepoint and that is a no-go for me.

hot_gril 3y ago
I was put in charge of a nonprofit org's IT recently. Decided to listen to the previous leader's praise about Office 365 [edit: oh, Microsoft 365], which they use. Turns out it's a mess with all this weird Outlook + Sharepoint overlap. I'm pretty confused, and the less technical people there are totally lost. Makes me appreciate GSuite more; I think MS just really knows how to sell to whoever's in charge.
- danpalmer 3y ago
  MS sell the OS, which then sells the identity management, which then sells 365 and dynamics, which then sells Azure. It all links into each other. I'm not sure it's so much about convincing someone who's in charge, it's that from a relatively common starting point (Windows PCs) everything else flows sort of by default.
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    That strategy makes sense, but 365 in particular doesn't seem to flow so well even from Windows. All those Windows users in our org are thoroughly lost on how to use it.
    - danpalmer 3y ago
      Interesting. I haven't used Windows in a long time and haven't used Office since early high school, but I did get the impression there was still some amount of shared patterns and understanding.
      - hot_gril 3y ago
        I was in the same camp. After hearing glowing reviews from that one guy, I was expecting something harmonious and was willing to give MS another chance. After a few days, I lowered my expectations to "usable by everyone," like Windows is. Now I don't think it's that either.
  - greggsy 3y ago
    The jump from M365 to D365 is significant, as is the jump to Azure. One can reasonably use the productivity suite independent of the vast suite of cheaper (and often more suitable) services that can be used in place of D365, not to mention Azure.
    - danpalmer 3y ago
      I remember when my previous place was looking into Dynamics as an option for the company it seemed like it would be very much easier to deploy various Dynamics-adjacent bits to Azure, and we didn't want to be multi-cloud so this was a minor detractor for us. M365 to Azure is a bit more of a jump maybe, but there's AAD which I think is a bit of an on-ramp? Then I gather Excel is getting better at integrating with the data products on Azure? I think there's something there, enough to make Azure the path of least resistance for some orgs.
ProjectArcturis 3y ago
OneDrive consistently corrupted files in my organization. Garbage software.
- olyjohn 3y ago
  At one point when they had OneDrive for Business, and regular OneDrive. Regular OneDrive kept installing itself into Windows 10, and confused the fuck out of everybody, and some people were even using personal accounts to sign into it because it would encourage you to create a Microsoft account. But that was different from their corporate Microsoft account, but used the same e-mail address. What a fucking disaster. I swore off that piece of shit ever since then. And SharePoint has never been good. It's always a disaster that needs dedicated staff that nobody wants to pay for. And they built OneDrive on top of it? And now you have Teams running on top of it as well. And it's also a total piece of shit. God damnit, I'm so much happier not having to admin any more Microsoft shit.
  - datadrivenangel 3y ago
    The multiple accounts is so painful with microsoft. They should be able to make it work but somehow it always ends up in redirect auth-loop hell.
JohnFen 3y ago
This. Adding AI on top of it makes me trust it even less, too.
TinyRick 3y ago
> I absolutely do not trust Microsoft Sentence should have stopped there.
Condition1952 3y ago
I used to dislike Windows and Microsoft. Now my school administration is paying them tribute, probably due to effective lobbying practices. So I hate them now

hot_gril 3y ago

I was put in charge of a nonprofit org's IT recently. Decided to listen to the previous leader's praise about Office 365 [edit: oh, Microsoft 365], which they use. Turns out it's a mess with all this weird Outlook + Sharepoint overlap. I'm pretty confused, and the less technical people there are totally lost. Makes me appreciate GSuite more; I think MS just really knows how to sell to whoever's in charge.

danpalmer 3y ago
MS sell the OS, which then sells the identity management, which then sells 365 and dynamics, which then sells Azure. It all links into each other. I'm not sure it's so much about convincing someone who's in charge, it's that from a relatively common starting point (Windows PCs) everything else flows sort of by default.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  That strategy makes sense, but 365 in particular doesn't seem to flow so well even from Windows. All those Windows users in our org are thoroughly lost on how to use it.
  - danpalmer 3y ago
    Interesting. I haven't used Windows in a long time and haven't used Office since early high school, but I did get the impression there was still some amount of shared patterns and understanding.
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      I was in the same camp. After hearing glowing reviews from that one guy, I was expecting something harmonious and was willing to give MS another chance. After a few days, I lowered my expectations to "usable by everyone," like Windows is. Now I don't think it's that either.
- greggsy 3y ago
  The jump from M365 to D365 is significant, as is the jump to Azure. One can reasonably use the productivity suite independent of the vast suite of cheaper (and often more suitable) services that can be used in place of D365, not to mention Azure.
  - danpalmer 3y ago
    I remember when my previous place was looking into Dynamics as an option for the company it seemed like it would be very much easier to deploy various Dynamics-adjacent bits to Azure, and we didn't want to be multi-cloud so this was a minor detractor for us. M365 to Azure is a bit more of a jump maybe, but there's AAD which I think is a bit of an on-ramp? Then I gather Excel is getting better at integrating with the data products on Azure? I think there's something there, enough to make Azure the path of least resistance for some orgs.

ProjectArcturis 3y ago

OneDrive consistently corrupted files in my organization. Garbage software.

olyjohn 3y ago
At one point when they had OneDrive for Business, and regular OneDrive. Regular OneDrive kept installing itself into Windows 10, and confused the fuck out of everybody, and some people were even using personal accounts to sign into it because it would encourage you to create a Microsoft account. But that was different from their corporate Microsoft account, but used the same e-mail address. What a fucking disaster. I swore off that piece of shit ever since then. And SharePoint has never been good. It's always a disaster that needs dedicated staff that nobody wants to pay for. And they built OneDrive on top of it? And now you have Teams running on top of it as well. And it's also a total piece of shit. God damnit, I'm so much happier not having to admin any more Microsoft shit.
- datadrivenangel 3y ago
  The multiple accounts is so painful with microsoft. They should be able to make it work but somehow it always ends up in redirect auth-loop hell.

JohnFen 3y ago

This. Adding AI on top of it makes me trust it even less, too.

TinyRick 3y ago

> I absolutely do not trust Microsoft Sentence should have stopped there.

Condition1952 3y ago

I used to dislike Windows and Microsoft. Now my school administration is paying them tribute, probably due to effective lobbying practices. So I hate them now