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The proper term here would be a negligent discharge. Nobody ever accidentally fired a gun. They either meant to or they were handling it in a negligent manner.

The proper term here would be a negligent discharge. Nobody ever accidentally fired a gun. They either meant to or they were handling it in a negligent manner. The general lack of training and professionalism with American police is appalling. They rarely get sufficient range time to be proficient with their weapon. let alone stress inoculation so they can perform when the time comes.

hedora 3y ago
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foxyv 3y ago
There are cases of weapons discharging due to malfunctioning weapons, holsters and ammunition instead of negligence. This is why the first rule is, never point your weapon at something you do not wish to destroy. Typically they mostly happen while loading or unloading a firearm. These are typically called "Accidental Discharges" instead of "Negligent Discharges." https://www.guncrafttraining.com/articles/negligent-discharge-vs-accidental-discharge https://www.guncrafttraining.com/articles/negligent-discharg...
- hbt 3y ago
  germany records every single bullet its police officers fire. do you want to know the number of bullets fired? According to a research brief by the Center for Homicide Research1, there were 11 cases of accidental discharges by police officers in Germany from 2000 to 2012, resulting in one death and six injuries. This means that on average, there were less than one accidental discharge per year in Germany during this period. gpt
  - giantg2 3y ago
    The injury rate seems extremely high - 11 accidental (assuming includes negligent) discharges and 7 of those results in injury or death. Unless those are self-inflicted (glock foot), that seems really high.
  - foxyv 3y ago
    > germany records every single bullet its police officers fire. I really wish we hadn't blocked this level of record keeping in the USA. All our data has to be gleaned from other sources. The FBI tries to collect this data, but 40% of law enforcement agencies don't provide it. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-data-say-about-crime-in-2021-it-s-too-unreliable-to-tell https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-d...
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- thereddaikon 3y ago
  Indeed and discharges due to malfunctions are usually called accidental discharges. Assuming it's the first time of course. If you continue to knowingly use a broken gun after you've learned its broken then it becomes negligence.
  - foxyv 3y ago
    If you follow the rules of firearms safety you will never have a negligent discharge, but you may have an accidental one. Personally my favorite personal rule is "Don't need a firearm, don't have a firearm." The dang things are more dangerous than a pet Boomslang. Some people are willing to take the risk, but I'm not.

hedora 3y ago

"Gun's don't kill people. Blood loss and organ damage do." There are plenty more bumper stickers where that one came from: https://topatoco.com/collections/wtnv/products/cpb-wtnv-nvnra-stickerpack https://topatoco.com/collections/wtnv/products/cpb-wtnv-nvnr...

foxyv 3y ago

There are cases of weapons discharging due to malfunctioning weapons, holsters and ammunition instead of negligence. This is why the first rule is, never point your weapon at something you do not wish to destroy. Typically they mostly happen while loading or unloading a firearm. These are typically called "Accidental Discharges" instead of "Negligent Discharges." https://www.guncrafttraining.com/articles/negligent-discharge-vs-accidental-discharge https://www.guncrafttraining.com/articles/negligent-discharg...

hbt 3y ago
germany records every single bullet its police officers fire. do you want to know the number of bullets fired? According to a research brief by the Center for Homicide Research1, there were 11 cases of accidental discharges by police officers in Germany from 2000 to 2012, resulting in one death and six injuries. This means that on average, there were less than one accidental discharge per year in Germany during this period. gpt
- giantg2 3y ago
  The injury rate seems extremely high - 11 accidental (assuming includes negligent) discharges and 7 of those results in injury or death. Unless those are self-inflicted (glock foot), that seems really high.
- foxyv 3y ago
  > germany records every single bullet its police officers fire. I really wish we hadn't blocked this level of record keeping in the USA. All our data has to be gleaned from other sources. The FBI tries to collect this data, but 40% of law enforcement agencies don't provide it. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-data-say-about-crime-in-2021-it-s-too-unreliable-to-tell https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/06/14/what-did-fbi-d...
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thereddaikon 3y ago
Indeed and discharges due to malfunctions are usually called accidental discharges. Assuming it's the first time of course. If you continue to knowingly use a broken gun after you've learned its broken then it becomes negligence.
- foxyv 3y ago
  If you follow the rules of firearms safety you will never have a negligent discharge, but you may have an accidental one. Personally my favorite personal rule is "Don't need a firearm, don't have a firearm." The dang things are more dangerous than a pet Boomslang. Some people are willing to take the risk, but I'm not.