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Look at what drugs can do to a place (SF) - if it works maybe it's worth it?

lostlogin 3y ago
They also have a well regarded healthcare system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore
- boeingUH60 3y ago
  Makes me love Singapore the more. Very pragmatic leadership. Can't be characterized as "right-leaning" or "left-leaning" or whatever...it's like the leaders just sat down and thought, "Let us borrow any idea that works and implement in our country"...grew from third-world levels of poverty to enviable first-world development in a few decades. I'm not Singaporean and have never visited if you're wondering...
  - eddmakesio 3y ago
    Not just enviable, they have the worlds highest GDP per capita, the only Asian country with a triple AAA rating by all ratings bodies, good integration policies (low crime but basically a 20/20/20/20 split between Buddhism, Atheism, Christianity, and Islam - not completely 20:20:20:20 but can't remember the right numbers and it's close-ish), one of the highest life expectancies in the world, and pretty awesome food! It's almost like cracking down on crime in a tough way with liberal economics can lead to a great place to live.
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      User Joak lived there and has posted here - it’s an interesting take. The oppressive state behaviour has repercussions in their view.
      - avgcorrection 3y ago
        Privileged migrants (I mean expats) might not be terribly affected by how unfree or authoritarian a society is. > As an expat, the censorship and oppression was only materialized by the absence of a decent art scene.
        eddmakesio 3y ago
        Even if Singapore is authoritarian and unfree, if they have high happiness scores, high life expectancies, high standards of living, maybe we have to accept you can have some good authoritarian places to live.
        avgcorrection 3y ago
        If you'll read my comments again you'll see that I haven't taken a stance on this myself one way or the other.
        eddmakesio 3y ago
        Fair point!
  - joak 3y ago
    I lived in Singapore 3 years, quite a pleasant city. Super efficient, clean, people polite and smiling. As an expat, the censorship and oppression was only materialized by the absence of a decent art scene. Music, theatre, movies, graphic arts, ... are nowhere to be seen or very mediocre in a city this size. Oh yes, and sure no drugs beyond alcohol. The expensive car policy is well counterbalanced by good public transportation and cheap fast taxis (no congestion). More convenient than owning a car, imo.
  - gottorf 3y ago
    > Can't be characterized as "right-leaning" or "left-leaning" or whatever. Singapore's story is remarkable, like you said. But it can absolutely be characterized as right-leaning, with a conservative social policy marked by low individual freedom (low tolerance for antisocial behavior, definition of "antisocial" largely in the hands of the government) and high economic freedom (laissez-faire free market capitalism, small government[0]). On the Nolan chart[1], it would fall squarely in the Conservative side. [0]: At government expenditures of ~15% of GDP, Singapore has by far the smallest government, in economic terms, of all developed countries. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart
Gibbon1 3y ago
> what drugs can do to a place (SF) I miss raves and house parties in 90's San Francisco.
- eddmakesio 3y ago
  At least the Tenderloin has a 24/7 block party! /s

They also have a well regarded healthcare system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore

boeingUH60 3y ago
Makes me love Singapore the more. Very pragmatic leadership. Can't be characterized as "right-leaning" or "left-leaning" or whatever...it's like the leaders just sat down and thought, "Let us borrow any idea that works and implement in our country"...grew from third-world levels of poverty to enviable first-world development in a few decades. I'm not Singaporean and have never visited if you're wondering...
- eddmakesio 3y ago
  Not just enviable, they have the worlds highest GDP per capita, the only Asian country with a triple AAA rating by all ratings bodies, good integration policies (low crime but basically a 20/20/20/20 split between Buddhism, Atheism, Christianity, and Islam - not completely 20:20:20:20 but can't remember the right numbers and it's close-ish), one of the highest life expectancies in the world, and pretty awesome food! It's almost like cracking down on crime in a tough way with liberal economics can lead to a great place to live.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    User Joak lived there and has posted here - it’s an interesting take. The oppressive state behaviour has repercussions in their view.
    - avgcorrection 3y ago
      Privileged migrants (I mean expats) might not be terribly affected by how unfree or authoritarian a society is. > As an expat, the censorship and oppression was only materialized by the absence of a decent art scene.
      - eddmakesio 3y ago
        Even if Singapore is authoritarian and unfree, if they have high happiness scores, high life expectancies, high standards of living, maybe we have to accept you can have some good authoritarian places to live.
        avgcorrection 3y ago
        If you'll read my comments again you'll see that I haven't taken a stance on this myself one way or the other.
        eddmakesio 3y ago
        Fair point!
- joak 3y ago
  I lived in Singapore 3 years, quite a pleasant city. Super efficient, clean, people polite and smiling. As an expat, the censorship and oppression was only materialized by the absence of a decent art scene. Music, theatre, movies, graphic arts, ... are nowhere to be seen or very mediocre in a city this size. Oh yes, and sure no drugs beyond alcohol. The expensive car policy is well counterbalanced by good public transportation and cheap fast taxis (no congestion). More convenient than owning a car, imo.
- gottorf 3y ago
  > Can't be characterized as "right-leaning" or "left-leaning" or whatever. Singapore's story is remarkable, like you said. But it can absolutely be characterized as right-leaning, with a conservative social policy marked by low individual freedom (low tolerance for antisocial behavior, definition of "antisocial" largely in the hands of the government) and high economic freedom (laissez-faire free market capitalism, small government[0]). On the Nolan chart[1], it would fall squarely in the Conservative side. [0]: At government expenditures of ~15% of GDP, Singapore has by far the smallest government, in economic terms, of all developed countries. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

Gibbon1 3y ago

> what drugs can do to a place (SF) I miss raves and house parties in 90's San Francisco.

eddmakesio 3y ago
At least the Tenderloin has a 24/7 block party! /s