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This is also the place that famously canes people for petty crimes.
by pclmulqdq 3y ago
This is also the place that famously canes people for petty crimes.
- avgcorrection 3y agoAnd a death penalty for smuggling drugs. EDIT: It seems that Singapore is more authorian than I thought (based on the Human Rights Wikipedia article). People would be complaining more about that were it not for the fact that it is a market-based economy.
- lostlogin 3y agoOn the bright side, the LGBT community got some rights this year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore
- eddmakesio 3y agoLook at what drugs can do to a place (SF) - if it works maybe it's worth it?
- lostlogin 3y agoThey also have a well regarded healthcare system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore
- boeingUH60 3y agoMakes me love Singapore the more. Very pragmatic leadership. Can't be characterized as "right-leaning" or "left-leaning" or whatever...it's like the leaders just sat down and thought, "Let us borrow any idea that works and implement in our country"...grew from third-world levels of poverty to enviable first-world development in a few decades. I'm not Singaporean and have never visited if you're wondering...
- eddmakesio 3y agoNot just enviable, they have the worlds highest GDP per capita, the only Asian country with a triple AAA rating by all ratings bodies, good integration policies (low crime but basically a 20/20/20/20 split between Buddhism, Atheism, Christianity, and Islam - not completely 20:20:20:20 but can't remember the right numbers and it's close-ish), one of the highest life expectancies in the world, and pretty awesome food! It's almost like cracking down on crime in a tough way with liberal economics can lead to a great place to live.
- lostlogin 3y agoUser Joak lived there and has posted here - it’s an interesting take. The oppressive state behaviour has repercussions in their view.
- avgcorrection 3y agoPrivileged migrants (I mean expats) might not be terribly affected by how unfree or authoritarian a society is. > As an expat, the censorship and oppression was only materialized by the absence of a decent art scene.
- eddmakesio 3y agoEven if Singapore is authoritarian and unfree, if they have high happiness scores, high life expectancies, high standards of living, maybe we have to accept you can have some good authoritarian places to live.
- avgcorrection 3y agoIf you'll read my comments again you'll see that I haven't taken a stance on this myself one way or the other.
- eddmakesio 3y ago
- Gibbon1 3y ago> what drugs can do to a place (SF) I miss raves and house parties in 90's San Francisco.
- eddmakesio 3y agoAt least the Tenderloin has a 24/7 block party! /s
- boeingUH60 3y agoWhen I see how people behave recklessly in some places, I'll be low-key wishing for this kind of law.
- sokoloff 3y agoCrimes for which judicial caning applies seem like fairly serious ones to me: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore
- jonathankoren 3y agoOne of most famous cases was a dipshit American with a spray can, so you and I are going to have disagree about the definition of “serious” crimes. Especially when the entire impetus of the vandalism law to stop graffiti protesting the ruling party in 1966. (Previously, vandalism was punished by a small fine, rather than caning.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Michael_Fay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Michael_Fay
- sokoloff 3y agoVandalism is a felony in my state (Massachusetts). That seems to define it as being a serious crime here.
- gottorf 3y agoI wonder how many people have been actually convicted of vandalism in Massachusetts?
- sokoloff 3y agoLooks like tens of thousands of occurrences per year and thousands "cleared" (unclear how close to 'convicted' that is, nor on whether all 'criminal damage' is vandalism). https://ma.beyond2020.com/ma_tops/report/crime-overview/massachusetts/2022 https://ma.beyond2020.com/ma_tops/report/crime-overview/mass... How many people have been caned for vandalism in Singapore? I'd wager that far, far more people have a felony vandalism conviction in MA than were caned for it in Singapore.
- jonathankoren 3y ago
- zolbrek 3y agoForget a few grams of bud in your suitcase while transiting through Singapore? Just get a handed a death sentence as a foreign national, hope you enjoy your holiday execution.
- jessepasley 3y agoEverybody knows the laws, why would you insist on breaking them?
- zolbrek 3y agoWhat makes you think I insist on breaking Singaporean laws?
- laweijfmvo 3y agoWhere is it legal to bring weed across country or even state lines? There's no way to "forget" to remove something from your luggage that's universally illegal, unless you've choosen to flout the law because it's easy to get away with elsewhere.
- jondwillis 3y agoYou’ve never left something in a pocket before, or dropped something into an open suitcase without noticing it?
- jessepasley 3y agoMaybe coins or random pocket trash, but never illegal drugs. I think I would notice 500 grams of weed, which is the minimum to receive the death penalty in Singapore.
- zolbrek 3y agoHalf a kilo isn't easy to overlook, I'll give you that.