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Keep in mind that this is also the country that fined shops selling chewing gum up to S$2,000. Incentives uses to nudge our behaviours... Why not — to the max.
by repelsteeltje 3y ago
Keep in mind that this is also the country that fined shops selling chewing gum up to S$2,000.
Incentives uses to nudge our behaviours... Why not — to the max.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_sales_ban_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_sales_ban_in_Singa...
- pclmulqdq 3y agoThis is also the place that famously canes people for petty crimes.
- avgcorrection 3y agoAnd a death penalty for smuggling drugs. EDIT: It seems that Singapore is more authorian than I thought (based on the Human Rights Wikipedia article). People would be complaining more about that were it not for the fact that it is a market-based economy.
- lostlogin 3y agoOn the bright side, the LGBT community got some rights this year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore
- eddmakesio 3y agoLook at what drugs can do to a place (SF) - if it works maybe it's worth it?
- lostlogin 3y agoThey also have a well regarded healthcare system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore
- boeingUH60 3y agoMakes me love Singapore the more. Very pragmatic leadership. Can't be characterized as "right-leaning" or "left-leaning" or whatever...it's like the leaders just sat down and thought, "Let us borrow any idea that works and implement in our country"...grew from third-world levels of poverty to enviable first-world development in a few decades. I'm not Singaporean and have never visited if you're wondering...
- eddmakesio 3y agoNot just enviable, they have the worlds highest GDP per capita, the only Asian country with a triple AAA rating by all ratings bodies, good integration policies (low crime but basically a 20/20/20/20 split between Buddhism, Atheism, Christianity, and Islam - not completely 20:20:20:20 but can't remember the right numbers and it's close-ish), one of the highest life expectancies in the world, and pretty awesome food! It's almost like cracking down on crime in a tough way with liberal economics can lead to a great place to live.
- lostlogin 3y agoUser Joak lived there and has posted here - it’s an interesting take. The oppressive state behaviour has repercussions in their view.
- avgcorrection 3y agoPrivileged migrants (I mean expats) might not be terribly affected by how unfree or authoritarian a society is. > As an expat, the censorship and oppression was only materialized by the absence of a decent art scene.
- eddmakesio 3y agoEven if Singapore is authoritarian and unfree, if they have high happiness scores, high life expectancies, high standards of living, maybe we have to accept you can have some good authoritarian places to live.
- Gibbon1 3y ago> what drugs can do to a place (SF) I miss raves and house parties in 90's San Francisco.
- eddmakesio 3y agoAt least the Tenderloin has a 24/7 block party! /s
- boeingUH60 3y agoWhen I see how people behave recklessly in some places, I'll be low-key wishing for this kind of law.
- sokoloff 3y agoCrimes for which judicial caning applies seem like fairly serious ones to me: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore
- jonathankoren 3y agoOne of most famous cases was a dipshit American with a spray can, so you and I are going to have disagree about the definition of “serious” crimes. Especially when the entire impetus of the vandalism law to stop graffiti protesting the ruling party in 1966. (Previously, vandalism was punished by a small fine, rather than caning.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Michael_Fay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Michael_Fay
- sokoloff 3y agoVandalism is a felony in my state (Massachusetts). That seems to define it as being a serious crime here.
- gottorf 3y agoI wonder how many people have been actually convicted of vandalism in Massachusetts?
- sokoloff 3y agoLooks like tens of thousands of occurrences per year and thousands "cleared" (unclear how close to 'convicted' that is, nor on whether all 'criminal damage' is vandalism). https://ma.beyond2020.com/ma_tops/report/crime-overview/massachusetts/2022 https://ma.beyond2020.com/ma_tops/report/crime-overview/mass... How many people have been caned for vandalism in Singapore? I'd wager that far, far more people have a felony vandalism conviction in MA than were caned for it in Singapore.
- jonathankoren 3y ago
- zolbrek 3y agoForget a few grams of bud in your suitcase while transiting through Singapore? Just get a handed a death sentence as a foreign national, hope you enjoy your holiday execution.
- jessepasley 3y agoEverybody knows the laws, why would you insist on breaking them?
- zolbrek 3y agoWhat makes you think I insist on breaking Singaporean laws?
- laweijfmvo 3y agoWhere is it legal to bring weed across country or even state lines? There's no way to "forget" to remove something from your luggage that's universally illegal, unless you've choosen to flout the law because it's easy to get away with elsewhere.
- jondwillis 3y agoYou’ve never left something in a pocket before, or dropped something into an open suitcase without noticing it?
- jessepasley 3y agoMaybe coins or random pocket trash, but never illegal drugs. I think I would notice 500 grams of weed, which is the minimum to receive the death penalty in Singapore.
- zolbrek 3y agoHalf a kilo isn't easy to overlook, I'll give you that.
- expertentipp 3y agoWhen I count all my pieces of clothing damaged by chewing gums, recall the felling of disgust when accidentally touching a chewing gum attached under a seat or table, see the awful black stains created by trampled chewing gums... yes, this industry deserves it.
- avgcorrection 3y agoI always throw chewing gum in the bin. But I guess if only one in a thousand does not do that then you can end up with gum all over the asphalt (in a city state).
- gwbas1c 3y agoHaving spent my entire life where chewing gum is legal, I find this attitude absurd. What are we going to do next, ban farting?
- expertentipp 3y agoOnce farting will become billions dollar industry with fat executive boards, with stars and celebrities advertising farting as a way of living, and farting casually introduced in mainstream movies. Then some farting restrictions might be really necessary.
- peteradio 3y ago> farting casually introduced in mainstream movies That could actually be pretty funny.
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y agoDo you know https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ ?
- 11235813213455 3y agoI like this, particularly their rules against cigarette smoking, that ruins my day and air outside
- cm2012 3y agoI wish I could ban weed smoke smell in NYC. One person smoking makes a 30 foot diameter smell like skunk. Just use edibles and/or vapes people!
- daxaxelrod 3y agoRight? I always feel worried about getting a contact high through the second hand smoke too.
- jondwillis 3y agoThat is very unlikely to ever happen in all but the most enclosed situations, by the way.
- unforeseen9991 3y agoBack in my day we used to hotbox on purpose lol. 6 people all crowded into a small bathroom, towel under the door
- goodbyesf 3y ago> One person smoking makes a 30 foot diameter smell like skunk. Even better, a couple of idiots in a car smoking with their windows rolled down. I'm all for banning smoking cigarettes or weed in public spaces. If you want to ruin your health, do it in the privacy of your own house.
- cm2012 3y agoEven in your house, so many apartments have shit ventilation. Weed smell goes into windows, hallways, etc.
- chaostheory 3y agoTo be fair, it does work if you value security above both freedom and creativity. Singapore is one of the safest if not the safest city on earth when it comes to crime
- theironhammer 3y agoI was told by someone who lived in Singapore it was because people put the chewing gum on the lasers that counted passengers on the transit system. It was an expensive system.
- expertentipp 3y agoChewing gums were probably put on many places and things, and their removal was nasty and expensive.