Dawkins faces this argument in "The selfish gene" and he choses to explicitly acknowledge that qualia is unprovable, so takes a definition of the phenomenon tha

Dawkins faces this argument in "The selfish gene" and he choses to explicitly acknowledge that qualia is unprovable, so takes a definition of the phenomenon that is independent of it. And this is when studying actual living organisms, so applying it to machines will be even more useful.