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Hard disagree. The only thing these dead monkeys pictures speak to are feelings and we have seen what happens when the public gets animated and the public easil

Hard disagree. The only thing these dead monkeys pictures speak to are feelings and we have seen what happens when the public gets animated and the public easily gets animated with dead animal pictures and the name Elon Musk. Logically, if you want to protect animals rights, focus on factory chickens. The suffering impact of of these monkeys is epsilon compared to that.

perihelions 3y ago
If pictures are persuasive, then let people have access to the most persuasive arguments they want, for their civic debates. Whether I agree with them or not, I respect their right to speak, and let them do so in whatever format they please. And gathering and using whatever documentary evidence they think they need—no one has the right to suppress that. The public indeed has a statutory right to all of this information in California, and to attempt to make an exception to that, for the explicit purpose of suppressing civic debate they don't like and in fact find odious, is a government overreach. - "we have seen what happens when the public gets animated and the public easily gets animated" If your disdain for the public extends so far as "and therefore let's control the masses; let's deny them information; let's suppress their overly-animated speech", then there's not much to discuss, as we live in incompatible universes. I hope your contempt doesn't really stretch that far.
- tomjen3 3y ago
  I have no issue with them getting all the relevant information (ie not researchers private information) as long as there is no images to take out of context and slap some cheap click bait on. I have some faith in the public, but we should all know what happens when bloggers optimise for clicks.
  - perihelions 3y ago
    - "as long as there is no images to take out of context and slap some cheap click bait on" We're talking about the relationship between a government actor and members of the public criticizing it. If that criticism is unfair, out of context, or completely wrong, well, that's too bad: but a government actor has no power to tell the public "no, you are not allowed to criticize us in that manner; criticize us accurately, or not at all".

perihelions 3y ago

If pictures are persuasive, then let people have access to the most persuasive arguments they want, for their civic debates. Whether I agree with them or not, I respect their right to speak, and let them do so in whatever format they please. And gathering and using whatever documentary evidence they think they need—no one has the right to suppress that. The public indeed has a statutory right to all of this information in California, and to attempt to make an exception to that, for the explicit purpose of suppressing civic debate they don't like and in fact find odious, is a government overreach. - "we have seen what happens when the public gets animated and the public easily gets animated" If your disdain for the public extends so far as "and therefore let's control the masses; let's deny them information; let's suppress their overly-animated speech", then there's not much to discuss, as we live in incompatible universes. I hope your contempt doesn't really stretch that far.

tomjen3 3y ago
I have no issue with them getting all the relevant information (ie not researchers private information) as long as there is no images to take out of context and slap some cheap click bait on. I have some faith in the public, but we should all know what happens when bloggers optimise for clicks.
- perihelions 3y ago
  - "as long as there is no images to take out of context and slap some cheap click bait on" We're talking about the relationship between a government actor and members of the public criticizing it. If that criticism is unfair, out of context, or completely wrong, well, that's too bad: but a government actor has no power to tell the public "no, you are not allowed to criticize us in that manner; criticize us accurately, or not at all".