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Yes. And also, it's bad PR for the team responsible. Managers don't want to have trouble hiring people. After the first fine, the message can be "we're moderniz

Yes. And also, it's bad PR for the team responsible. Managers don't want to have trouble hiring people. After the first fine, the message can be "we're modernizing to stop this from happening!" But getting multiple fines over years is going to make the best of the talent poor essentially unavailable to hire.

slingnow 3y ago
You really think their hiring pool is going to shrink because they got fined for $150,000? The person they are hiring is likely going to cost more than the whole fine. And OK, let's say they keep getting fined. Seems like a badge of honor these days. Move fast and break things, right? The government just doesn't like, get us, man. We're the good guys here and they're trying to slow us down with red tape and bureaucracy.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  I think the point you’re responding to is saying it isn’t about the money, it’s the reputation hit. If you have several choices and one is getting sanctioned for shitty practices, maybe you’ll look elsewhere. Saying you’re a rocket engineer sounds pretty neat, but the shine wears off a bit if people recognise your employer for negative reasons.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > Saying you’re a rocket engineer sounds pretty neat, but the shine wears off a bit if people recognise your employer for negative reasons. Which is what Tesla is experiencing at the moment in their facility Grünheide [1]... a toxic mixture of low wages, bad employment conditions, and reports about unsafe practices. [1] https://t3n.de/news/tesla-gruenheide-personalmangel-und-angeblich-chaotische-zustaende-1519530/ https://t3n.de/news/tesla-gruenheide-personalmangel-und-ange...
    - parl_match 3y ago
      I don't know why this is getting downvoted? Tesla is a perfect example of the "shine wearing off".
      - gorjusborg 3y ago
        That has more to do with Musk 'doing a Yeezy' than anything the company did. I agree with the sentiment that the reputation hit is imaginary, and really only serves to prevent stiffer fines. Actually, they shouldn't be charged a fine, instead, they should have to go and get it back.
        PawgerZ 3y ago
        I think the shine has legitimately worn off on Tesla, though. I mean, how many times can you lie [1] about FSD before everyone writes you off as the boy who cried wolf. [1] https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/#bottom https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/#bottom
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slingnow 3y ago

You really think their hiring pool is going to shrink because they got fined for $150,000? The person they are hiring is likely going to cost more than the whole fine. And OK, let's say they keep getting fined. Seems like a badge of honor these days. Move fast and break things, right? The government just doesn't like, get us, man. We're the good guys here and they're trying to slow us down with red tape and bureaucracy.

lostlogin 3y ago
I think the point you’re responding to is saying it isn’t about the money, it’s the reputation hit. If you have several choices and one is getting sanctioned for shitty practices, maybe you’ll look elsewhere. Saying you’re a rocket engineer sounds pretty neat, but the shine wears off a bit if people recognise your employer for negative reasons.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Saying you’re a rocket engineer sounds pretty neat, but the shine wears off a bit if people recognise your employer for negative reasons. Which is what Tesla is experiencing at the moment in their facility Grünheide [1]... a toxic mixture of low wages, bad employment conditions, and reports about unsafe practices. [1] https://t3n.de/news/tesla-gruenheide-personalmangel-und-angeblich-chaotische-zustaende-1519530/ https://t3n.de/news/tesla-gruenheide-personalmangel-und-ange...
  - parl_match 3y ago
    I don't know why this is getting downvoted? Tesla is a perfect example of the "shine wearing off".
    - gorjusborg 3y ago
      That has more to do with Musk 'doing a Yeezy' than anything the company did. I agree with the sentiment that the reputation hit is imaginary, and really only serves to prevent stiffer fines. Actually, they shouldn't be charged a fine, instead, they should have to go and get it back.
      - PawgerZ 3y ago
        I think the shine has legitimately worn off on Tesla, though. I mean, how many times can you lie [1] about FSD before everyone writes you off as the boy who cried wolf. [1] https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/#bottom https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/#bottom
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