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Pretty sure it's this pyramid where they didn't know the whole hill the pyramid was on top of was actually part of the pyramid until recently I wonder what oth

Pretty sure it's this pyramid where they didn't know the whole hill the pyramid was on top of was actually part of the pyramid until recently I wonder what other natural formations are man-made, but we don't realise it yet

boffinAudio 3y ago
There's a mountain in Bosnia that many believe is an artificially constructed pyramid (I wanted to say 'man made' but thats misleading, we don't know that..) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims There are also the Gornaya Shoria megaliths, also known as the Surak-Kuilum megalithic complex, in Siberia .. these are fascinating structures, I wish we'd get more exploration of this area. Its very likely we're going to keep discovering things like this around the world - and especially in our oceans, where it is believed that similar pyramids exist around the Bahama's and in the oceans near Portugal ..
- eigenket 3y ago
  As far as the Bosnian thing goes, this is from the wiki article you linked: > Direct study of the site by geologists, archaeologists, and other scientists has demonstrated that the hills are natural formations known as flatirons, and that there is no evidence that they were shaped by human construction.The European Association of Archaeologists has condemned the so-called 'Bosnian pyramids' as a "cruel hoax"; along with various other scholars they are also concerned about damage being done to genuine archaeological and paleontological sites: a medieval Bosnian castle, Roman fortifications, and some even more ancient remains. Osmanagić initiated excavations in 2006 and has since reshaped one of the hills, making it look like a stepped pyramid.The academic community has called for the government to end funding of excavations and disruption of the site because of the damage to true archaeological resources.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    The jury is still out - there are studies which refute this original geological survey as well, I guess they just haven't made it to Wikipedia yet... either way until we start excavations again, we won't have definitive proof that these are natural structures. Its obviously a politically charged subject ..
    - notahacker 3y ago
      I'm sure a mountebank promoting it as a tourist attraction is capable of paying for "studies" Not all studies are as reliable as others though. HNers shouldn't really have too much difficulty establishing whether an origin theory conceived by geologists familiar with dozens of similar sites or one conceived by someone talking about ancient Illyrians making a "cosmic internet" is more likely to be correct...
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        > HNers shouldn't really ... True, but at the same time we don't know that much about what happened before the last ice age. And faced with that ignorance you have to keep an open mind, that's what HN people should do, or not have much trouble doing! Put it another way, if we had a 3000 year ice age start tomorrow, that was ended with a comet impact that melted the ice in a couple of months with biblical flooding (or any of a host of other possible apocalypses), how confident would you be that remnants of our civilization would be traceable 15,000 years hence? I'm sure there'd be traces but how confident would we be interpreting them correctly? If we were being intellectually honest about such interpretations. I'd say there'd be quite a lot of error bars. If you don't already, just assume there's other civilizations out there, for a minute. If they'd utilized the Earth in the past as a way station, outpost, refugee spot, or even holiday home or whatever, and built some (relative to the total land area of all human dwellings on Earth now) small scale installations here, but were not "humans" at all, and this happened at multiple points in the last 250 million years, how well do you feel you'd interpret that evidence, today? I think it's likely that people look at it, look at the seeming absence of non-humans just walking around, and think "We did this. It was us, in the past." But Earth's history is long, and we're a tiny part of it. Why project our present level of knowledge, impressive tho it is, onto a fantasy of insight into the One True Story of the entirety of Earth's history? I don't think we can say that if we're being intellectually honest, and HN people should aspire to that, I think. Even from this position of ignorance it's entirely possible that other civilizations built structures on Earth in the distant past, and that only their megalithic foundations or buildings survived, owing to Earth's "active" surface geology, and the passage of time. You cannot say how probable it is from a position of ignorance, but you must admit that it's possible. Heck, maybe some of those dudes flying around the sky are just coming back to check, "Hey, didn't we have a house here half a million years ago? With a nice view of the ocean. Man, those were the days!" haha :)
keepamovin 3y ago
Yes this is an interesting question. It seems like many structures would over time become covered over with nature and be almost unrecognizably artificial--until you dig! :)
timetraveller26 3y ago
The Spaniards even built a Church on the top

boffinAudio 3y ago

There's a mountain in Bosnia that many believe is an artificially constructed pyramid (I wanted to say 'man made' but thats misleading, we don't know that..) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims There are also the Gornaya Shoria megaliths, also known as the Surak-Kuilum megalithic complex, in Siberia .. these are fascinating structures, I wish we'd get more exploration of this area. Its very likely we're going to keep discovering things like this around the world - and especially in our oceans, where it is believed that similar pyramids exist around the Bahama's and in the oceans near Portugal ..

eigenket 3y ago
As far as the Bosnian thing goes, this is from the wiki article you linked: > Direct study of the site by geologists, archaeologists, and other scientists has demonstrated that the hills are natural formations known as flatirons, and that there is no evidence that they were shaped by human construction.The European Association of Archaeologists has condemned the so-called 'Bosnian pyramids' as a "cruel hoax"; along with various other scholars they are also concerned about damage being done to genuine archaeological and paleontological sites: a medieval Bosnian castle, Roman fortifications, and some even more ancient remains. Osmanagić initiated excavations in 2006 and has since reshaped one of the hills, making it look like a stepped pyramid.The academic community has called for the government to end funding of excavations and disruption of the site because of the damage to true archaeological resources.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  The jury is still out - there are studies which refute this original geological survey as well, I guess they just haven't made it to Wikipedia yet... either way until we start excavations again, we won't have definitive proof that these are natural structures. Its obviously a politically charged subject ..
  - notahacker 3y ago
    I'm sure a mountebank promoting it as a tourist attraction is capable of paying for "studies" Not all studies are as reliable as others though. HNers shouldn't really have too much difficulty establishing whether an origin theory conceived by geologists familiar with dozens of similar sites or one conceived by someone talking about ancient Illyrians making a "cosmic internet" is more likely to be correct...
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      > HNers shouldn't really ... True, but at the same time we don't know that much about what happened before the last ice age. And faced with that ignorance you have to keep an open mind, that's what HN people should do, or not have much trouble doing! Put it another way, if we had a 3000 year ice age start tomorrow, that was ended with a comet impact that melted the ice in a couple of months with biblical flooding (or any of a host of other possible apocalypses), how confident would you be that remnants of our civilization would be traceable 15,000 years hence? I'm sure there'd be traces but how confident would we be interpreting them correctly? If we were being intellectually honest about such interpretations. I'd say there'd be quite a lot of error bars. If you don't already, just assume there's other civilizations out there, for a minute. If they'd utilized the Earth in the past as a way station, outpost, refugee spot, or even holiday home or whatever, and built some (relative to the total land area of all human dwellings on Earth now) small scale installations here, but were not "humans" at all, and this happened at multiple points in the last 250 million years, how well do you feel you'd interpret that evidence, today? I think it's likely that people look at it, look at the seeming absence of non-humans just walking around, and think "We did this. It was us, in the past." But Earth's history is long, and we're a tiny part of it. Why project our present level of knowledge, impressive tho it is, onto a fantasy of insight into the One True Story of the entirety of Earth's history? I don't think we can say that if we're being intellectually honest, and HN people should aspire to that, I think. Even from this position of ignorance it's entirely possible that other civilizations built structures on Earth in the distant past, and that only their megalithic foundations or buildings survived, owing to Earth's "active" surface geology, and the passage of time. You cannot say how probable it is from a position of ignorance, but you must admit that it's possible. Heck, maybe some of those dudes flying around the sky are just coming back to check, "Hey, didn't we have a house here half a million years ago? With a nice view of the ocean. Man, those were the days!" haha :)

keepamovin 3y ago

Yes this is an interesting question. It seems like many structures would over time become covered over with nature and be almost unrecognizably artificial--until you dig! :)

timetraveller26 3y ago

The Spaniards even built a Church on the top