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> Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern They still are. As a battery ages the internal resistance increases. This leads to brown-outs und

> Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern They still are. As a battery ages the internal resistance increases. This leads to brown-outs under high current. This isn’t unique to Apple, it’s just how batteries work.

soulofmischief 3y ago
The whole discussion is incredibly moot, because Apple should be shipping devices with more easily replaced batteries.
- thebruce87m 3y ago
  The degradation would still happen. You want your car to go into limp home mode even if the part that failed is replaceable.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    This issue would still have drastically different framing if the given reason was true and users had the freedom to easily replace batteries in old devices, as well as OS-level warning pop-ups which let the user know that it's time to replace a battery and that their phone will be slower until they do. Anything less is deceptive and anti-user.
    - thebruce87m 3y ago
      If it was true? All the evidence supports it. My wife’s phone was throttled and mine wasn’t. Replacing degraded batteries brought devices back to full speed. How can you draw any other conclusions? The only thing they have changed is that they now have the OS level pop ups, the feature still exists.
      - soulofmischief 3y ago
        It's quite easy to draw the conclusion that other alternatives were considered such as an easily-replaced battery, but Apple's management decided on a course of action which was plausible enough to be accepted without much further questioning, and wouldn't give the user back any freedoms, and would ultimately lead to more phone sales.
        thebruce87m 3y ago
        I don’t subscribe to that at all. I see other manufacturers dropping support for their phones after one or two years and I see apple supporting them for a long time. They want to sell services and they want you to have a working phone to use them. Apple get phone sales from me because of this stance.

soulofmischief 3y ago

The whole discussion is incredibly moot, because Apple should be shipping devices with more easily replaced batteries.

thebruce87m 3y ago
The degradation would still happen. You want your car to go into limp home mode even if the part that failed is replaceable.
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  This issue would still have drastically different framing if the given reason was true and users had the freedom to easily replace batteries in old devices, as well as OS-level warning pop-ups which let the user know that it's time to replace a battery and that their phone will be slower until they do. Anything less is deceptive and anti-user.
  - thebruce87m 3y ago
    If it was true? All the evidence supports it. My wife’s phone was throttled and mine wasn’t. Replacing degraded batteries brought devices back to full speed. How can you draw any other conclusions? The only thing they have changed is that they now have the OS level pop ups, the feature still exists.
    - soulofmischief 3y ago
      It's quite easy to draw the conclusion that other alternatives were considered such as an easily-replaced battery, but Apple's management decided on a course of action which was plausible enough to be accepted without much further questioning, and wouldn't give the user back any freedoms, and would ultimately lead to more phone sales.
      - thebruce87m 3y ago
        I don’t subscribe to that at all. I see other manufacturers dropping support for their phones after one or two years and I see apple supporting them for a long time. They want to sell services and they want you to have a working phone to use them. Apple get phone sales from me because of this stance.