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> They'll lower the price when their alternative is that the unit stays empty indefinitely. That doesn't really square with how large multi-unit properties are
by Paul-Craft 3y ago
> They'll lower the price when their alternative is that the unit stays empty indefinitely.
That doesn't really square with how large multi-unit properties are valued, though. Once you get past 4 units in a building, you're into the world of commercial real estate. Commercial real estate is commonly valued based on a percentage of the projected (i.e. theoretical) cash flow the building would generate if all units therein were rented out.
Notice how you don't have to actually rent out the units for this formula to work? If you have vacancies, you can just "project" that they'll be rented out at whatever your current asking price is.
At this point, you might be saying to yourself something like "WTF, that's basically fraud, isn't it?" Well, it basically isn't, as long as you can convince at least one person (e.g. a banker or potential purchaser) that your projections are sound in order to either get a loan against any equity you have in the building, or to buy it outright, respectively.
Just so you know I'm not making any of this up, here's a page that lays it all out for you: https://www.firstrepublic.com/insights-education/five-common-methods-to-value-a-commercial-property https://www.firstrepublic.com/insights-education/five-common...
To bring it back to vacancies and rents, that's the reason you see buildings sitting with tons of vacancies and owners not dropping rents. It's also the reason you see those "N months free, then $R per month thereafter" deals (because $R is the value they get to "project" they'll be taking in every month, regardless of the fact that it cost N months' worth of rent to bring in a tenant. If you start lowering rents, then that fucks with your "projections," see.
If you're like me when I first heard all this, you probably think this is insane at best, or shady at worst. And, yeah, it kinda is. But it also explains the phenomenon of units sitting vacant and bringing in $0/month when the landlord could just lower the rent and bring in $POSITIVE/month instead.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago> Commercial real estate is commonly valued based on a percentage of the projected (i.e. theoretical) cash flow the building would generate if all units therein were rented out. Of course it is. Apartment units have turnover and if you have a non-trivial number of them then at any given time you'll have some proportion which is on the market rather than already rented out. That doesn't mean the landlord wants the unit to be empty. They want to fill them as soon as possible because every month they're empty is a month of lost rent. Waiting a month or two or three to get a tenant at the market price could be worth it over offering a huge discount to fill the unit immediately. Holding out for even more by receiving no rent for years... isn't.
- sershe 3y agoI mean, then they bring out the 2-month deals. I used to live in a luxury 25+ story apartment tower in Seattle area in 2010, with a big pool, full size gym and everything. It was... less than full, so I paid like $1.1k for a large 1br with views, after you account for first 2 months free (not accounting for free parking, normally that was extra too). IIRC they extended the deal too until 2012 when the building started to fill up and they didn't need it anymore. I think the only reasons they need to resort to such gimmicks instead of just dropping rent are the above accounting considerations and limits on rent hikes (not extending the deal increases the rent without increasing the rent)... the end result is still low rent thanks to market forces.