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And yet we see headlines like “UK out of tanks to give Ukraine” - that was this morning, I believe. I don’t see Russia running out of tanks.

by vGPU 3y ago

_kbh_ 3y ago
> I don’t see Russia running out of tanks. There’s evidence they are running out of tanks, like activating T62’s and using Indias T90S’s. They aren’t out of tanks altogether but they are clearly going through tanks faster then they can make them.
rasz 3y ago
russia is a big country with huge soviet reserves, still they started renovating T54s https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/07/mammoths-crap-more-obsolete-t-54-tanks-arrive-in-southern-ukraine-as-russian-forces-grow-desperate/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/07/mammoths-cr... Currently there are 2500 tank and >4000 armored carrier losses documented on video/pictures https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum... while UA claims double that in the field https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/ https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/ ~10 tank loses a day while ru barely makes under 10 new tanks and refurbishes tens per month now. https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/how_many_tanks_a_month_russian_uralvagonzavod_can_produce_really-5921.html https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/how_many_tanks_a_month_...
- vGPU 3y ago
  Oryx has been proven to be providing false numbers well over a dozen times, including in the pentagon documents. Re: Ukraine claims - is that the one where they claimed to have destroyed 4,700 tanks out of 3,500? MediaZona, an organization run by strongly anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine owners in partnership with the BBC, is going to be the most accurate casualty information you can actually get: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng And please, enlighten me: how exactly are they taking that many tank losses when they’re literally dug in, not moving, and have pulled the tanks back? They don’t even have to fight, the Ukrainians are doing a fine job tripping every land mine in the region by themselves.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > Oryx has been proven to be providing false numbers well over a dozen times, including in the pentagon documents. Oryx literally counts visually documented losses on both sides it’s likely to be a lower bound with rather large confidence on both sides of the conflict. But it’s still a lower bound. How is that “proven to be false”. > MediaZona, an organization run by strongly anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine owners in partnership with the BBC, is going to be the most accurate casualty information you can actually get: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng But those numbers are very different to the pentagon documents, so they must be false right?. > And please, enlighten me: how exactly are they taking that many tank losses when they’re literally dug in, not moving, and have pulled the tanks back? They don’t even have to fight, the Ukrainians are doing a fine job tripping every land mine in the region by themselves. Because Russia isn’t dug in and not moving they are constantly trying to counter attack. Not only that dug in tanks and tanks behind the front line are still vulnerable to drone borne weapons which are very popular in this war.
  - rasz 3y ago
    does this look like dug in tanks https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1710251092238303680 https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/171025109223830368... ?

And yet we see headlines like “UK out of tanks to give Ukraine” - that was this morning, I believe. I don’t see Russia running out of tanks.

by vGPU 3y ago

And yet we see headlines like “UK out of tanks to give Ukraine” - that was this morning, I believe. I don’t see Russia running out of tanks.

_kbh_ 3y ago

> I don’t see Russia running out of tanks. There’s evidence they are running out of tanks, like activating T62’s and using Indias T90S’s. They aren’t out of tanks altogether but they are clearly going through tanks faster then they can make them.

rasz 3y ago

russia is a big country with huge soviet reserves, still they started renovating T54s https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/07/mammoths-crap-more-obsolete-t-54-tanks-arrive-in-southern-ukraine-as-russian-forces-grow-desperate/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/07/mammoths-cr... Currently there are 2500 tank and >4000 armored carrier losses documented on video/pictures https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum... while UA claims double that in the field https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/ https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/ ~10 tank loses a day while ru barely makes under 10 new tanks and refurbishes tens per month now. https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/how_many_tanks_a_month_russian_uralvagonzavod_can_produce_really-5921.html https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/how_many_tanks_a_month_...

vGPU 3y ago
Oryx has been proven to be providing false numbers well over a dozen times, including in the pentagon documents. Re: Ukraine claims - is that the one where they claimed to have destroyed 4,700 tanks out of 3,500? MediaZona, an organization run by strongly anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine owners in partnership with the BBC, is going to be the most accurate casualty information you can actually get: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng And please, enlighten me: how exactly are they taking that many tank losses when they’re literally dug in, not moving, and have pulled the tanks back? They don’t even have to fight, the Ukrainians are doing a fine job tripping every land mine in the region by themselves.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Oryx has been proven to be providing false numbers well over a dozen times, including in the pentagon documents. Oryx literally counts visually documented losses on both sides it’s likely to be a lower bound with rather large confidence on both sides of the conflict. But it’s still a lower bound. How is that “proven to be false”. > MediaZona, an organization run by strongly anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine owners in partnership with the BBC, is going to be the most accurate casualty information you can actually get: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng But those numbers are very different to the pentagon documents, so they must be false right?. > And please, enlighten me: how exactly are they taking that many tank losses when they’re literally dug in, not moving, and have pulled the tanks back? They don’t even have to fight, the Ukrainians are doing a fine job tripping every land mine in the region by themselves. Because Russia isn’t dug in and not moving they are constantly trying to counter attack. Not only that dug in tanks and tanks behind the front line are still vulnerable to drone borne weapons which are very popular in this war.
- rasz 3y ago
  does this look like dug in tanks https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1710251092238303680 https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/171025109223830368... ?