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> Also I'm curious -- you seem to accept the planet is warming I accept that climate has been changing since day one 4 billion years ago. It undoubtedly happen

> Also I'm curious -- you seem to accept the planet is warming I accept that climate has been changing since day one 4 billion years ago. It undoubtedly happens today, happened yesterday, will happen tomorrow. > Are you denying that CO2 from fossil fuels is the principal cause, This seems irrelevant to me. I would indulge in the speculation if we lived in a world where that already hadn't been politicized. Now I can't help but worry that doing so would be used to propagandize to destroy the economy. > but just think it's pointless to do anything about it? It does seem to me that it's pointless for the people most worried about it. I have children, I want and will have grandchildren someday, and they in turn will have their own too. So, the future's more important for me than it is for many. The "let's adopt a baby from Africa because it's selfish to have your own biological children" crowd, they seem a little weird for caring if you ask me. > Or are you denying warming and/or the increase in atmospheric CO2 entirely? The first doesn't seem implausible. The latter can be objectively measured with devices that are cheap enough and available enough that I could confirm it myself if I had any suspicions. I am clearly less alarmed by those measurements than most.

crazygringo 3y ago
Got it. So you seem to just... not care. You don't think it's necessarily false, you just don't care. And it really seems to bother you that other people do care. Thank you for the honesty! If I may ask -- does it bother you that other people care, because you think any solution is necessarily and obviously impossible to begin with, and therefore it's a wasted effort, and wasted efforts bother you? Or because you think there's a rational cost/benefit analysis to be had, but you're already sure that the costs outweight the benefits, and costs outweighing benefits bothers you? Or does it bother you for another reason?
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  > You don't think it's necessarily false, you just don't care. It's statements like this one that I find the most bizarre. You claim this is about science... well, that's not how science works. First you prove to me that this is real. Make some predictions (non wishy-washy ones), wait however long for those to be observed, and then we know global warming's real. Making predictions you can't be bothered to wait to observe is a a palm reader's scam. > If I may ask -- does it bother you that other people care, You are part of a dying civilization that has convinced itself not to reproduce. The social norms of such a civilization are completely irrelevant, including and maybe especially to themselves. > , and therefore it's a wasted effort, and wasted efforts bother you? I just saw 10%+ inflation the last year or so because a cold virus made people work from home and this disrupted toilet paper manufacturing supply chains. You say that we have to stop emitting carbon dioxide (something I've been doing since I was born), all of it, to save a planet that you won't bother to have babies to live in it 100 years from now... and that's supposed to be painless economic proposition? If what you wanted only cost a few tens of trillions, why the hell not? Burn the money (not literally, carbon dioxide), and make a future generation pay for it. All I see are world-ending economic catastrophes. No thanks. The future world isn't yours to worry about anymore. This will seem totally off-topic to you, of course. Incomprehensible, even. But my daughter still tells me at age 14 that she wants 5 or 6 kids of her own. Me and mine will be above replacement, I think. It'll be our problem, and they're up to the challenge.

crazygringo 3y ago

Got it. So you seem to just... not care. You don't think it's necessarily false, you just don't care. And it really seems to bother you that other people do care. Thank you for the honesty! If I may ask -- does it bother you that other people care, because you think any solution is necessarily and obviously impossible to begin with, and therefore it's a wasted effort, and wasted efforts bother you? Or because you think there's a rational cost/benefit analysis to be had, but you're already sure that the costs outweight the benefits, and costs outweighing benefits bothers you? Or does it bother you for another reason?

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
> You don't think it's necessarily false, you just don't care. It's statements like this one that I find the most bizarre. You claim this is about science... well, that's not how science works. First you prove to me that this is real. Make some predictions (non wishy-washy ones), wait however long for those to be observed, and then we know global warming's real. Making predictions you can't be bothered to wait to observe is a a palm reader's scam. > If I may ask -- does it bother you that other people care, You are part of a dying civilization that has convinced itself not to reproduce. The social norms of such a civilization are completely irrelevant, including and maybe especially to themselves. > , and therefore it's a wasted effort, and wasted efforts bother you? I just saw 10%+ inflation the last year or so because a cold virus made people work from home and this disrupted toilet paper manufacturing supply chains. You say that we have to stop emitting carbon dioxide (something I've been doing since I was born), all of it, to save a planet that you won't bother to have babies to live in it 100 years from now... and that's supposed to be painless economic proposition? If what you wanted only cost a few tens of trillions, why the hell not? Burn the money (not literally, carbon dioxide), and make a future generation pay for it. All I see are world-ending economic catastrophes. No thanks. The future world isn't yours to worry about anymore. This will seem totally off-topic to you, of course. Incomprehensible, even. But my daughter still tells me at age 14 that she wants 5 or 6 kids of her own. Me and mine will be above replacement, I think. It'll be our problem, and they're up to the challenge.