6 ms·
They're in a relatively flat field and can rely on the ground being frozen solid sometime soon. If its insufficiently flat wouldn't it make more sense to smoot
by avar 3y ago
They're in a relatively flat field and can rely on the ground being frozen solid sometime soon.
If its insufficiently flat wouldn't it make more sense to smooth out those parts of the field, rather than "paving" the whole field with steel mats?
- resolutebat 3y agoI'd be very worried about the wheels sinking into the dirt, which steel mats would help prevent. But if the ground freezes sufficiently hard, it should also do the trick.
- fsckboy 3y agomoving aircraft do not have spinning drive wheels, and they start having increasing lift from the wings right away with increasing speed. I think sinking into desert sand, maybe, but not dirt on a field. A bigger concern would be excessive bumps/ditches and/or soggy bogs.
- TylerE 3y agoThe wings on an airliner aren't producing much lift below 100mph or so. You're on the wrong end of v^2
- b112 3y agoedit: sorry, I just realised you were talking of a one off, for this plane. Naturally it'd be fine frozen, but you'd have to wait a bit, until the ground froze a bit. eg, not just the surface. Here that usually takes a month or more, because the ground takes quite some time to cool. -- The road gets warm in the winter, even at -40C, if there is a lot of traffic. Snow is smushed, it is warmed by the tires, due to friction, and even sublimation happens. If there is enough traffic, frozen ground can become thawed. Especally at a mere -10C. The dirt road in front of my house confirms this in winter, with potholes and wet spots, and not from salt. Landing events have even more friction. And many aircraft are far heavier than cars. Rare teaffic would be fine I guess, but a mildly busy airfield might be different.
- nvy 3y agoEver driven a car through a field? What looks smooth is often anything but, and airliners are simply not designed to take off from unprepared surfaces. Flattening frozen ground seems significantly more difficult than just laying down panels.
- pxeboot 3y agoIce runways are relatively common in some places. They pump water water onto them to create a flat surface. Similar to ice roads used for accessing oil fields and mines.
- wolverine876 3y agoDo they use 'off-the-shelf' passenger jets?
- pxeboot 3y agoI had to Google this one, but yes, it looks like an A340 has been used in Antarctica recently [1]. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/antarctica-flight-ice-runway-landing-b1963510.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/antarct...
- kotaKat 3y agoI'm impressed. They got four APUs to take off from Antarctica? ;)
- inferiorhuman 3y agoI suspect the biggest concern operating off of an earthen runway is ingestion of FOD. For unimproved runways the 737 Classic could be fitted with so-called gravel kits to reduce the chances of ingesting crap from the runway on takeoff. That's why you still see 737-200s in service in the wintery parts of Canada – the fans on the NG and MAX (and A320) are too big to make gravel kits practical. However, where the weight itself is an issue, Indian Airlines (now Air India) ordered some A320s with beefier landing gear precisely to operate something that heavy off of less than great paved runways. Ural's not going to have much in the way of manufacturer support though so their options are a bit limited.