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Politicians giving public statements of support for protests is a rather different thing than a covert CIA operation. People would just laugh if China made suc

Politicians giving public statements of support for protests is a rather different thing than a covert CIA operation. People would just laugh if China made such a statement. No one paid much attention to the statement they did make: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-china/china-state-media-says-u-s-capitol-storm-reflects-leadership-failures-idUSKBN29D00Q https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests-chi...

somenameforme 3y ago
It wasn't a "public statement of support." That was a rally held in Kyiv, headed by the US. This was the US being on the ground, in and among the protesters and making a very visible point of it. It's likely because CIA ops to agitate and embolden the protesters 'quietly' failed, so they needed a more visible demonstration to show the protesters we'd have their back in case of an insurrection.
- nitwit005 3y ago
  I argued the CIA clearly clearly isn't capable of entirely secretly creating protests. You insisted they "foment them" instead. Now you're claiming they also fail at fomenting them. And also John McCain somehow surpassed the efforts of the entire CIA by giving a speech? Guy was amazing.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    Why would you think it'd be amazing? You can achieve vastly more acting openly than you can by acting secretly. The US overtly and openly rallying anti-government protesters, encouraging them to overthrow their government, right in front of said government, was just a ridiculous power play. It's going to not only help embolden the existing protesters, but bring every single person with an inkling of anti-government sentiment out of the wood work because "this might be it!" And well, it was "it." The only reason the CIA exists (in terms of ops, and not intelligence) is for secrecy. The "problem" is that in Ukraine there's zero debate as to whether the democratic government was fairly elected - they were. And we, the country that runs around raving about the sanctity of democracy, were working to overthrow them. It's really not a good look, even less so when we started doing it openly (if only because now I can simply point to videos showing it clear as day), and one of the endless examples of how you create people like me.

somenameforme 3y ago

It wasn't a "public statement of support." That was a rally held in Kyiv, headed by the US. This was the US being on the ground, in and among the protesters and making a very visible point of it. It's likely because CIA ops to agitate and embolden the protesters 'quietly' failed, so they needed a more visible demonstration to show the protesters we'd have their back in case of an insurrection.

nitwit005 3y ago
I argued the CIA clearly clearly isn't capable of entirely secretly creating protests. You insisted they "foment them" instead. Now you're claiming they also fail at fomenting them. And also John McCain somehow surpassed the efforts of the entire CIA by giving a speech? Guy was amazing.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  Why would you think it'd be amazing? You can achieve vastly more acting openly than you can by acting secretly. The US overtly and openly rallying anti-government protesters, encouraging them to overthrow their government, right in front of said government, was just a ridiculous power play. It's going to not only help embolden the existing protesters, but bring every single person with an inkling of anti-government sentiment out of the wood work because "this might be it!" And well, it was "it." The only reason the CIA exists (in terms of ops, and not intelligence) is for secrecy. The "problem" is that in Ukraine there's zero debate as to whether the democratic government was fairly elected - they were. And we, the country that runs around raving about the sanctity of democracy, were working to overthrow them. It's really not a good look, even less so when we started doing it openly (if only because now I can simply point to videos showing it clear as day), and one of the endless examples of how you create people like me.