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Before posting our vibes based opinions about how little time we all feel we have, I'd encourage everyone to first spend some time with the data on how American

by em500 3y ago

Before posting our vibes based opinions about how little time we all feel we have, I'd encourage everyone to first spend some time with the data on how Americans actually spend their hours: https://www.bls.gov/tus/tables.htm https://www.bls.gov/tus/tables.htm, and in particular https://www.bls.gov/tus/tables/a1-2022.pdf https://www.bls.gov/tus/tables/a1-2022.pdf. It will probably surprise many that even married couples who both work full time spend on average 2.9 to 3.6 hours per day on leisure and sports (vs 5.1 to 6.1 hours on work and 1.4 to 0.9 hours on child care). https://www.bls.gov/tus/tables/a7-1519.htm https://www.bls.gov/tus/tables/a7-1519.htm

redstonefreedom 3y ago
You've failed to make a concrete point without realizing it. The point is the effect of technology. So, you've given an x(2) datapoint. Where is your x(1)? You haven't even been explicit about it but the only presupposition that makes a point for you is that x(1) is, "of course", less time than now, by virtue of the fact that we spend some hours a day doing sport & leisure. Which, btw, is demonstrably false. Almost all anthropological evidence/studies point towards us having much less time now in human evolution, only losing to the near-fascist peak of capitalism in the 19th century due to the unchecked boom in power from the industrialists. But without that one outlier, we "have to" spend more time working now than ever before. We objectively have less leisure time.
- Aunche 3y ago
  >Almost all anthropological evidence/studies point towards us having much less time now in human evolution If we're going by the pop anthropologist's definition work as time spent hunting and gathering, I work about 2 hours a week, far less than anyone from the stone age. If setting up your tent or carrying water from a stream counts as "leisure", then it's only fair to count the work that pays for my rent and city water as "leisure."

by em500 3y ago

redstonefreedom 3y ago

You've failed to make a concrete point without realizing it. The point is the effect of technology. So, you've given an x(2) datapoint. Where is your x(1)? You haven't even been explicit about it but the only presupposition that makes a point for you is that x(1) is, "of course", less time than now, by virtue of the fact that we spend some hours a day doing sport & leisure. Which, btw, is demonstrably false. Almost all anthropological evidence/studies point towards us having much less time now in human evolution, only losing to the near-fascist peak of capitalism in the 19th century due to the unchecked boom in power from the industrialists. But without that one outlier, we "have to" spend more time working now than ever before. We objectively have less leisure time.

Aunche 3y ago
>Almost all anthropological evidence/studies point towards us having much less time now in human evolution If we're going by the pop anthropologist's definition work as time spent hunting and gathering, I work about 2 hours a week, far less than anyone from the stone age. If setting up your tent or carrying water from a stream counts as "leisure", then it's only fair to count the work that pays for my rent and city water as "leisure."